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I agree with how overpowered by spam this site is.
I can deal with some, but when it becomes the main active topics,
it just makes the site less appealing than it could be, creating the impression that not much is going on here but spam. It needs rich and engaging topics to be the first topics people see, maybe something like stories, quizzes, history, lore, rpg, anything really that could spark the interest of a newcomer, and make them want to stay and keep up with the site.
I think this forum has the potential to be great again
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Maybe put in like a quarterly story contest, though I realize the last short story contest kinda flopped, but if there is something that happens a bit more regularly, maybe it might bring in some interest for newer members, and quite possibly bring some older members back should they happen to drop in and whatnot. just a thought I had while reading the last few posts.
 

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Hey, guys. I have only recently joined this forum, and i did it mostly because i wanted to promote my book(for some reason i feel guilty about it, even though i know i shouldn't. I mean, i'm just only chasing my dream:p).

Anyway, here's my advice: The administrators should ask all self published authors that want to promote, or have already tried to promote, their books through this forum, to post the entire book here!
That way, the members(viewers) will read their books and if they enjoyed them they might buy it.

That's a plus for the authors, but not just for them. The members will have, almost every time they log in, a new book to read. And they can leave their honest opinions(reviews) to the comments.

In the end, when the forum has gathered enough "free" books, we can put in a contest where every member will give a rating to each book and choose their favorite. And to entice even more authors we could put the one with the best ratings, or the top three in the home page.

I'm willing to post my book here, by the way. I hope this helps! :)
 

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Hey, guys. I have only recently joined this forum, and i did it mostly because i wanted to promote my book(for some reason i feel guilty about it, even though i know i shouldn't. I mean, i'm just only chasing my dream:p).

Anyway, here's my advice: The administrators should ask all self published authors that want to promote, or have already tried to promote, their books through this forum, to post the entire book here!
That way, the members(viewers) will read their books and if they enjoyed them they might buy it.

That's a plus for the authors, but not just for them. The members will have, almost every time they log in, a new book to read. And they can leave their honest opinions(reviews) to the comments.

In the end, when the forum has gathered enough "free" books, we can put in a contest where every member will give a rating to each book and choose their favorite. And to entice even more authors we could put the one with the best ratings, or the top three in the home page.

I'm willing to post my book here, by the way. I hope this helps! :)
That makes no sense though, and I'm not trying to shoot you down just as you begin to fly, but if the book is posted on the forum, there will be several problems.
1. Most likely, people wouldn't take the time to read it.
Forums aren't difficult to read, but unless they are a hardcore gamer, they probably won't want to sit still for a couple of hours and read a book they may/may not like.
2. Once they read the book they probably wont buy it.
I realise that you may be going off a trust/generosity basis, but 80-90% of the time, people will simply read the whole thing on the forum, then if they liked it, just copy-paste it to a Word or Notepad document and print it off if they want it.
3. Ain't nobody got time fo' dat (sorry).
Sorry but, I write stories in my free time, it's what I love doing and is pretty much the only thing I still like doing after I started dealing with my depression, so I understand just as much as many authors would, if the author writes it out on paper, not on a computer, then they are NOT (most likely) going to spend their time typing it all out again.

However, the idea isn't a horrific one, with a few minor tweaks it could be good.
For instance:
1. The authors shouldn't post the whole story, just post a teaser (like a trailer for a film)
2. Make it so that in one section, if the person buys the book, the author will print it out in a book and post it to them, whereas in other sections, the authors will simply email them the book.
3. Encourage the authors to advertise elsewhere. This is a fantasy forum, generally focused on roleplay and other things, it does have a medium-sized book related area, but this really isn't the kind of site where you want people advertising for nothing. Instead, encourage them to advertise on some other site, but still allow them to advertise here if they wish.
 

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Fairly Idea to promote books on forum seems way off for me, Forum is where society connects and discuss - if we make it like a mayor commercial it will go down the drain.
I think you are wrong - people buy products they enjoy - if I liked the book posted on forum (even thou I have read it) I would still buy it, same goes for games etc.

Authors would be nice part of society - because of they talent to liven up random spam thread and RPs..but to dedicate forum to them..not so sure.
 

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I agree somewhat with the others that have posted here.
However, forums aren't a dead cause, they are just losing steam after major games start rolling out and people started to move away from the decent forums and secluding themselves from communities. A couple of things that might be able to help the users to stay might be:
1. De-clutter. The mobile site isn't exactly easy to navigate, and the vast multitude of threads and topics is daunting and confusing to a new member. Try archiving old topics (threads that haven't been posted on for x number of months) and putting them in a new collapsed subsection, which if user decide to go and root around the archives, they can simply roll open the archive and get digging.
2. Index and prioritise. This is a fantasy RP forum, is it not? If yes, then prioritise the fantasy/RP topics and threads over the other topics. Also, index, try making a wikipedia-style jump-to index, where users can simply find the general topic they want, click it and it will jump to that section for them to peruse.
3. Crunch down on spam. Advertise minor staff positions, Trawlers or De-Spammers, who get rewards for going through threads and topics and remove spam posts (obviously you'll need a moderator or someone who can approve the De-Spammer's choice) and they'll get points for every approved spam post that they get rid of. If you give them good rewards for their work, I can guarantee you'll get at least a small flow of members simply looking for 'work'.
4. Advertisements. I know and can see that you already have a few scattered about the site, but one easy way to get an increased flow of money is to simply add more advertisements. One of the best and user-friendly ways to do it is to put in 4-5 no-sound no-video advertisements right at the bottom, where users will see them if they scroll down to the archives, or the lower prioritised topics.
5. Collapse your topics. There's nothing worse than having to scroll through masses of threads before getting to the one you want. If you decide to not to point 2, then this is a good idea. Simply put all of your threads under a topic into a collapsible box, so it aids with de-cluttering the site.

Also, don't lose faith in the younger generations, I'm no exactly a child but I'm still in my early teens, you just need to advertise to the right people.

And as a side-note, I typed all this, none of it is copied from anywhere.
 

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Mobile is`nt easy to navigate? It can be - look at reddit. The mobile users are most of population - I use reddit 99% on mobile. Ok reddit is bit easier to simply scale to web-app , but with a bit of effort this site can be great on mobile.

Weird side note. Make me google and distrust your opinion. Tbh.
 

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I think you are wrong - people buy products they enjoy - if I liked the book posted on forum (even thou I have read it) I would still buy it, same goes for games etc.

My experience is that people does not give free things much value. Many just download or copy&paste the book for reading later, but then they forget about it because they never paid any money for it or cared much to begin with. They just got it because it was free.

Some people buys the book in a form or another after they have read a free copy and liked it, but I am not sure they are a significant ammount.
 

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Well technically you could download witcher 3 for free; but still many many bought it. Because it was awesome content
 

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You don't have to dedicate the entire forum to authors, just a section of it is enough. This way the members will have more choices.
One of the reasons i'm suggesting this is because i'm also a member at a site where the viewers can read chinese webnovels(translated, of course.) A group of translators post at least a chapter per day, and that makes me visit the site everyday(it has thousands of viewers). I'm just hoping that we could do something similar here in order to bring more members. It doesn't have to be exclusively with books... i'm just thinking that something similar to that might work.
 

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That makes no sense though, and I'm not trying to shoot you down just as you begin to fly, but if the book is posted on the forum, there will be several problems.
1. Most likely, people wouldn't take the time to read it.
Forums aren't difficult to read, but unless they are a hardcore gamer, they probably won't want to sit still for a couple of hours and read a book they may/may not like.
2. Once they read the book they probably wont buy it.
I realise that you may be going off a trust/generosity basis, but 80-90% of the time, people will simply read the whole thing on the forum, then if they liked it, just copy-paste it to a Word or Notepad document and print it off if they want it.
3. Ain't nobody got time fo' dat (sorry).
Sorry but, I write stories in my free time, it's what I love doing and is pretty much the only thing I still like doing after I started dealing with my depression, so I understand just as much as many authors would, if the author writes it out on paper, not on a computer, then they are NOT (most likely) going to spend their time typing it all out again.

However, the idea isn't a horrific one, with a few minor tweaks it could be good.
For instance:
1. The authors shouldn't post the whole story, just post a teaser (like a trailer for a film)
2. Make it so that in one section, if the person buys the book, the author will print it out in a book and post it to them, whereas in other sections, the authors will simply email them the book.
3. Encourage the authors to advertise elsewhere. This is a fantasy forum, generally focused on roleplay and other things, it does have a medium-sized book related area, but this really isn't the kind of site where you want people advertising for nothing. Instead, encourage them to advertise on some other site, but still allow them to advertise here if they wish.
Just in case you are still trying to deal with your depression... These are the two things i did in order to overcome it(i hope it helps): 1. I started meditating. It really calms you down and it gets rid of all your dark thoughts and emotions.
2. I try to see myself as an rpg character. Meaning, i see myself as a level 1 human. We all have skills like fighting skills-writing skills-cooking skills-flirting skills-driving skills etc. but they are all at level 1, so my goal is to level up, to maximize my stats.
 

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We get depressed as an evolved adaption to cope with adverse conditions. Depressed and stressed people have enhanced problem solving skills. F*** meditation, go fix the damn problem!

Actually, I often wonder if the prolonged stress I've suffered (and thus prolonged enhanced problem solving) is the reason I got so smart?! There's an up side to everything.
 

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Well snap.Do you know what depression and stress is ? {google it now}
enhanced you mean advanced?

Well I doubt that stressed people have better problem solving skills, as the stress rises the activity of many hormones that disable the right chemical reaction in brain for it to order properly ( thus the shaking in stress, and the inability to speak etc.) Depression is and advanced state of stressed people (to be honest stress can cause it ) Depression is a state, where the human body cannot get the hormone levels down by its own - it has reached a critical state where for example it cannot produce anymore endorphine and thus, the brain activity is low - and you feel like shit. Medical solutions are highly recommended - in lesser cases of depressions ( rare, and depression is a heavy term) some diets could help, - eat food that provides the necessary vitamins and minerals to active glands. And no there is no good side to depression or stress, please do not spread such false knowledge. Its a serious matter.

The argument, that you got smart because you were stressed is impossible, you might have high IQ and thus you coped with depression/stressed in non-direct way - but it is not the cause.
Well, what to you mean by enhanced problem solving?
 

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Mobile is`nt easy to navigate? It can be - look at reddit. The mobile users are most of population - I use reddit 99% on mobile. Ok reddit is bit easier to simply scale to web-app , but with a bit of effort this site can be great on mobile.

Weird side note. Make me google and distrust your opinion. Tbh.

I am mobile user too, I'm just saying a mobile phone almost 100% of the time has a longer loading time than a computer, so when I first logged in i was really confused while the page loaded and sections were collapsing etc. Also, when scrolling through lots of topics it can be awkward on a mobile.
 

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I would argue that whilst time are not as easy as they once were forums are still active and used. We just have to adjust to cater for smaller populations and greater retention of uses. Most of the inactivity is due to oldies leaving through time coupled with a lack of significant recruitment of new members to replace (mostly on account of facebook snapping them up somewhat).

I think the site can still function and work - wej ust need ideas:)

The problem is, as other people have mentioned, forums are a dying breed. Yes you are correct with your statement but we must also realize the only active.. or rather semi-active forums are forums for specific games that come out that year. Plus they only last 3 years or so. The only exception I can think of is 'Steam' forums that people only post in when they have troubles launching a game, or get stuck in a game. Sad but true.

Two things attract people to websites. Content and services.

The free content business model is the one meme websites follow. They let the users create content, so other users go there to watch it or read it. They get involved and create more content (they post their own jokes and gags). Meanwhile, the webmaster is profiting from the advertising and data mining without generating any content himself. The people generating the profits are the people sustaining the website. It is a very smart model.

The service business model consists in selling or offering services or goods people want. You just create a shop or whatever and sell something people wants.

Forums are in the first cathegory.

You need bring people in order to generate content. You need to know what people is looking for in a forum and, most importantly, what they want to post in the forum. In this regard, I suspect that releasing a bit the "spam policies" would be a wise move... create some subforums for author self-promotion, metal bands with fantasy themes, videogame makers... This people is willing to create threads full of information for free. As long as they are constrained in their own sections, it won't be invasive for people who does not want to read self-promotion.

Another idea is to create some thrematic threads. Create a joke thread, a short story thread, an illustrations thread... let people come and post their stuff. You will need to set each thread into motion and commit to updating each at least once per week or so, but once these are moving, they will self-sustain.

Those are my two cents. But don't take me too seriously, my marketing tactics are know not to work well (less than 2% of the people in my target audience that is exposed to my products is interested, hahaha).

PS: I don't like web tehcnology very much. I prefer NNTP based "forums" instead of web based ones. The problem is thatr NNTP is not very mainstream and you don't find the general public in it.

You make it sound as if you want to run the the forum like a business? Maybe that is in fact needed. After all, that is the way of the world these days. Would be sad to see it happen tho.

and maybe tell game developers to stop releasing all the good games at the same time. I only say this because since Fallout 4 dropped, I haven't really had enough time to do anything but play video games, work and sleep. though that's probably just me and a few others but still, why dobthey all come out at the same frickin time. aside from that try sending out emails to existing members to try to reel them back in. maybe try to have contests amongst the members which may help keep interest in the site longer then a few months. and I agree with Jim, Spam should not count towards post totals. though I do find myself spamming quite a bit, which I'm sorry for, but when a thread goes off topic, it can be hard to bring it back in. maybe try and police spamming on non spam threads a bit more where if it gets too out of hand, someone steps in and tries to bring it back to what the conversation should be. I don't think you can completely stop all spam but it could be handled differently where maybe the spamy posts get deleted and so on and so forth so that new members don't only see that stuff. I feel all the general chat threads should be considered spam because that's all it is.

Ha nice! OR get people back here to talk about said games lol. Also Do not touch spam! It is the only thing left atm hahaha

To be honest, forums are dying/dead for a while now, it`s all cuz the modern youth is fning retarded :D

Ok to be more serious, this form of communication is replaced by a bit more easier, and to be honest wider. The main reason I belive that forums are used is to gather information fast - like stackoverflow is quite popular - thus forums are dead argument, is kind of non-relevant.

So I believe to make this forum more active :
1. need more memebers (active ones). Honestly I think this is the main issue here - new people comeby but they never stick around, because there is not big enough acitve userbase at the moment.
Solution : try to bring back some old ones, and be more active with new comemmers
2. ISSUE. I believe this forum is too spam centered, and it lack the proper discussions to keep the newer members, as some may no be yet ready for our spam. And most of spam, is just that spam. No jokes, no content just random spam. - I beleive that gives the messega to new memebers, and some returning old ones, that there is no serious content here.
3. What the this place popular. I came here just randoming stuff on google, found out some nice discussion and role play, general contact with other people - it currently lacks, jus that. genuine contact with other posters.


well it was my 2 cents.

Okay mate. I agree and disagree
1)Agreed but you never liked me anyway hahaha :p
2)spam helps newbies to get into the flow, especially the timid kind. You have a valid point, but spam to some small degree is needed.
3)Agreed
nice input

I can't really add too much from what everyone else has said.

I've thought of/tried coming back every now and again these past few years since it was my home for a decent amount of my high school life. But the RP threads had dried up( I don't actually know where they are in the forums anymore lol), and even with all the cool sections we have for writers and the armor and weapons discussions for LARPers not much has been posted there due to lack of people interested those more niche fantasy aspects. Even back then in 2009 a lot of the posts were in spam, but with more active threads and members posting multiple times daily, it wasn't as much of a problem. This may just be me getting older and noticing more though :p

Community is everything in the end, if things aren't constantly flowing it'll stagnate. I'm not really sure how you can tell people this place even exists short of someone putting in a large amount of effort into facebook pages and a twitter account. Other than that all we can really do is make some new, lasting RP or book discussion threads in hopes that new people will be excited to join in and stick around long enough to learn about the people here, who were all pretty great.

I think at the end of the day. This site is a vicious circle, in that' people leave so others don't post.. so more leave, so more dont post etc. etc. That sums up what everyone is saying here in a nutshell. Now the solution is up to the forum admins. They bought the site, they knew it was struggling. When they first took over, they were active and happy for a chat. However a few months later they disappeared. I have not seen one of them post anything.
If they want this forum to thrive, Why not free advertise it on YouTube? Hell, I'm off work now for 3 weeks. I'll even help make a short vid.
It's just an option.

That's just my drunk-arse opinion anyway. Feel free to tell me I'm an idiot. :D
 

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