Discussion in 'Random Chat' started by wanderingmagus, Nov 7, 2009.
meh, good point..
And the thing with the earth being flat?
That was nothing more than the typical old school Roman Catholic bs created to control the masses in the past. Ever wondered why the power brokers there actually jumped one mile up in the air when Galileo actually told the populace that the Earth is round and the Sun is actually at the centre of the solar system? :S
I didn't understand a single word of that...
Yeah. Only the Roman Catholic Church didn't really create anything at all. They couldn't bother to even create anything. They just used the formulas from the "pagans". Their universe was based in the Aristotelian-Ptolemaic universe, which had the Earth surrounded by the 10 skies, starting with the Moon and ending with the Primum Mobile and the Empyrium.
now that I think of it, many of the so-called "christian" holidays originated as pagan or norse celebrations; yule, samhain, ostara...
Exactly. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Go and have look at the RCC history. You'll be shocked at all the stupid things that it had done in the past. Martin Luther's religion reforms wouldn't be anywhere successful if not for this reason. :S
Actually, as far as I know, Good Friday and Easter ain't pagan so as to say. True there's no way we can trace the exact date of Jesus' death and resurrection, but then again, these two holidays existed b/c of a certain need to symbolize the whole sequence of event. Therefore, these two days are strictly based on the Biblical dogma more than just a random pagan bs.
As for Christmas, it's also pretty much the same as the two festival mentioned here. Only real difference is that the date set for this occasion was actually during some pagan celebrations that I've actually forgotten what it was.
Hey bro don't be dissin Catholics, or Agnostic Roman Catholics. Even more so the second one because that is I. But yeah it is kinda obvious that they were manipulating people and that they were totally corrupt. But the church has gotten kind of better. ish.
On magic however, yeah it is kinda complete bull. It was a way of explaining the unknown and once people started thinking and finding things out...well...there was no need for spooky stories. Often you will see the use of the unknown to manipulate people.
So although magic is a fun thing to pretend or joke about, I would question the logical inner workings of somebody that claims to be able to manipulate stuff. Not saying they would be a bad person, just that I wouldn't put them in charge of the research and development wing of a company.
Christmas was set on the day of the Winter Solstice feast. It is believed that Jesus of Nazareth was born on the beginning of December.
In all probability his birth would most likely have been during the spring or summer.
As for Easter holiday...it has roots in paganism.
Magic is like voodoo, if you believe in it then it is real.
And you say that because...
tbh I'm not trying to diss anyone, RCC or otherwise. What I'm pointing out in my previous posts are stuff relevant to history and not this current age.
tbh there's no evidence pointing to the exact date of Jesus' birth. Everything surrounding the whole thing was only theory in guessing. And yeah, thanks for the answer to the pagan festival post on my Christmas comment. Winter Solstice, how could I forget? :S
Well, Easter having roots in paganism is something that I've heard before albeit I dunno the details. However, I still stand by my opinion that in the essence of meaning, both Good Friday and Easter are meant to be symbolic occasions meant to remember the whole sequence of Jesus' death and resurrection. In this aspect, it's actually a matter of Biblical dogma more than any paganism factors.
Easter has its root on the cult of the goddess Eostre.
Yes. The first is the Old English name, the second the Old High German one.
ok thx just clearing that up for myself
First, it states in Luke's account that the shepherds were in the fields watching their flocks at the time of Jesus' birth . Shepherds were not in the fields during December. Luke's account suggests that Jesus may have been born in summer. Since December is cold and rainy in Judea, it is likely the shepherds would have sought shelter for their flocks at night.
During those times it was common for the shepherds to bring their flocks indoors.
Second, Jesus' parents came to Bethlehem to register in a Roman census. Such censuses were not taken in winter, when the temperature often dropped below freezing and roads were in poor condition. Taking a census under such conditions would have been self-defeating.
That's just a sample.
I agree, it is purely symbolic.
You may be right. At least it makes sense.
I think your statement is much more of the question of naming rather than the modern day meaning. And besides, Alch also agreed with me that both Good Friday and Easter are symbolic in nature, so why don't we stop all the random Easter=paganism talk?
Separate names with a comma.