Why, Mr. Anderson?

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  1. Anduril

    Anduril Flame of the West

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    In the movie Matrix Revolutions, Smith has an interesting monologue (delivered excellently by Hugo Weaving). I thought it very thought provoking and would like everyone's thoughts on it.

    Now, if you ask me, Neo is giving a pretty stupid answer. But it sounds like that's the only reason he has.

    I saw another thread where folks like Skyanide were talking about the purpose of human life. Many of them said that there was none. So if you don't mind me quoting Linus from Peanuts, "500 years from now, who'll know the difference?". If there is no real point, and if we dont' mean anything, why not just try to enjoy life the best you can and then when life get's hard and you don't forsee any future pleasures for you or your friends, just commit suicide? I'm not trying to convice anyone here to commit that hidious crime, but I am just asking if you can see the logic behind it.
     
  2. Cascador

    Cascador Who's Anakin?

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    so this is actually about the purpose of life? To survive...to make baby's...to be a small part in evolution
     
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    Neo's answer in Revolutions was horrible...

    As for the reasons behind wanting to wake up and just keep on living, even if it sucks and anything good won't mean anything in the big picture centuries from on... We just do. We all have our motives. I, for one, wake up every morning so I can look forward to SOCOM, chatting with friends, and having wildly absurd fantasies about food and women (usually not together). It may not all happen, or maybe none of it happens, but... I dunno, it always feels like tomorrow will be another zany adventure in my life. It's like, Today: Watch as Kiwi struggles to understand why people actually watch Days of Our Lives. Tomorrow: Pancake Fest '05!

    I'm really just in it to humor myself, so I fail to see any logic behind wanting to kill myself over one big streak of bad luck. Y'know why? 'cause all streaks end eventually. Just ask Ken Jennings.
     
  4. The Empress

    The Empress Solitude and Strength...

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    Hmmm...Honestly, I think Neo's answer was good. When you cannot possibly see the end of a battle or the pot 'o' gold at the end of the rainbow...or better yet, you cannot find the rainbow!? Sometimes you have to choose to keep going and that really at times is the only answer midst pain and tears. There is a tiny spark of hope in many people that wants to find the reason to keep going and that little spark is what keeps them from pulling the trigger and make the choice to fight and survive. Just my 2 cents.
     
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    Rosgwak The Masked Warrior

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    I agree that Neo's answer was rather good. Even if you believe what Agent Smith was saying about how none of these things are real, how love, peace and freedom are all just things we come up with to try and justify our existence, the fact remains that choice is very real. We all have choices, every single minute of our lives, and that's real... we either have the choice to live our lives or we don't. As for the logic behind it all, I believe everyone differs. I personally live for fun. I am aiming to live my life with as much fun as I can, and just have a ball on the trip. Others might live it for love, others for self-actualisation and spiritual fulfilment, but me, I'm in it for the kicks I can get. LOL. Just my little piece.
     
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    I guess I should've been clearer... I have a major grudge against Revolutions, mainly because of the poor writing (apart from Mr. Weaving's speech... well done) and boring fight scenes, so that was affecting my opinion on Neo's response. In retrospect of my post, I'm looking at it and I believe that Neo's response is legitimate and probably the right answer, I just didn't like how pathetically he said it in the movie... It's like Adina's signature says, "I am here because I choose to be here."
     
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    Wow, some really interesting comments here.
    I believe in belief. If, for example, the matrix is real and the world we live in (loving every moment of our ignorance) is just a figment of a million peoples imagination, so what? Who's to say it's not like that now?
    In some religions, we are just pawns being moved when 'someone' sees fit. What is the difference?
    The only good thing is that we can 'choose' to believe life is life (the way we percieve it).
    Personally, I'd be far more happier pretending and never knowing the truth, than finding out otherwise and having to accept then that there is NO point.
    At the same time, I will add that I don't have any specific views on a 'purpose' as such. All I know is, I am here. What else am I going to do? Live.
     
  8. Urambo Tauro

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    Neo's response of, "because I choose to" was particularly clever, not to us, but to Smith. (Neo's not talking to the audience or the cameraman, anyway.)
    Smith always seemed obsessed with purpose. That's to be expected, of course. As a computer program, (or virus), instead of a human being, choice is a concept completely foreign to him. Smith (as a virus) exists for the purpose of beating Neo. Neo realizes this,and allows Smith to complete his mission. For a program, completion means deletion. Having fulfilled his purpose, Smith is subsequently destroyed.
    On the surface, this may seem anticlimactic. However, I consider it clever and intelligent. The Matrix story is certainly a trip for the mind. I don't need another Hollywood movie ending, anyway.

    On another note-
    I know that many were dissapointed in Revolutions, but I think that is only due to expectations.
    The Matrix came out in 1999, and was mind-blowing. It had a great concept of "everything you know is wrong"- fascinating!
    Reloaded comes along and takes us further down the rabbit hole. We watched the first one and thought we understood it all- wrong! Reloaded was equally mind-blowing.
    Well, fool me once, shame on you- fool me twice...
    I think we all expected some mind-blowing revelations to be made in Revolutions. What we discovered was that it rode right along with Reloaded, but hardly added anything to it. it was simply a continuation and a conclusion to the story. Not that we saw everything in the movie coming- it's just that we unfortunately set our expectations for something different.
    Looking back on it, I choose to enjoy all three films. (Okay, to be honest, Reloaded and Revolutions are one movie in two parts. But you know what I mean. :rolleyes: )

    That's my two cents.
     
  9. Mububban

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    I think suicide is a copout, but then I've never had my life completely fall apart, or seem to fall apart, so I've never felt the desperation that many suicide victims must feel. But I don't think my personality would ever let me seriously consider suicide as an option for anything.

    I don't believe life has a higher purpose, but I am very aware of my mortality and how easily life can be snuffed out for any one of us. So I do try and live my life the best I can every day, while accepting certain practicalities of living in a modern western society ie having to go to work etc. But I do try and get the most out of every day, coz you never know when it'll be your last.


    And on a kind of related note, here's an old thread where someone tried explaining all the confusing babble from The Architect:
    http://www.thefantasyforum.com/showthread.php?t=2245
     
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    And I was extremely disappointed with the 2nd and 3rd movies when they came out. But I rewatched them a few months ago, and was much more impressed and moved by what went on. I think my unfairly high expectations inevitably couldn't live up to anything the Wachowski brothers could have done.
     
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    Lol... Using the word "inevitably" in a thread that mentions Agent Smith... Nice.
     
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    kartaron Hunter / Gatherer

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    Did Neo ever make a choice? From the instant he was created he made every choice at exactly the point in time the Oracle wanted him to. Neo was like one of those maze games that you steer a marble through. The marble doesnt choose to turn, it only responds according to physics depending on how you tilt the platform.

    In that sense his statement is absurd.

    But most people are missing the question. For me, bailing early means I havent completed the assignment. I recently saw a movie titled Shadowlands. The broad strokes in that movie mirror the basic outline of my personal philosophy. Life is hard. Thats the point. That doesnt mean life isnt good as well. It doesnt mean that life is pointless.