I find it interesting this thread has survived so long. Thanks guys. Here's how I see it. If there is a God, then there can be a definite moral code. But if there is no God, then it falls to the highest beings in existence to come up with a code and the next in line is humans. But then there's the interesting thing. What makes one person's opinion so much more valuable than another's? It would seem to me, that if there is no God then there is no definite moral code.