Why do people hate twilight?

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  1. Druid of Lûhn

    Druid of Lûhn The Little Lamb.

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    Sparrow just had to be the first one to it!

    He accidentally falls in love because he wants to fit in with his friends and wants to think that desire is only based on the physical experience, and she's not hot (pretty though). That changes.

    Another example: you've never really noticed someone before, then you spend time with them (helping them or something) and discover that you see them all the time, always want to be with them.

    That's the beer-drinking chocolate-and-waffle-eating belgian's theory anyway.
     
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    Cascador Who's Anakin?

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    I wonder where that would come from...
     
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    Actually DoL, that's a really good example and one I'm experiencing right now.

    Known her for years at work and it's only now that she suddenly has my wheels turning... I am recalling times when I think she must of been interested and was testing the waters, only to have me not return the interest because I'm so ****ing stupid sometimes. I think everything is about timing.
     
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    I think beer drinking is the gateway drug into accidental relationships.:)
     
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    mickichanx3 the daydreamer

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    yeah i think in someway youre right but i guess there are other drugs too xD
     
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    The first time I did cocaine it was from the girl I was seeing at the time... she did it, so I did it too... it brought us together. Love is crazy that way. :)
     
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    Well Sparrow, if you swap "work" for "school" and "did cocaine" for "drank beer", then we have the same story.

    I had been planning on drinking the beer though, so we shared it (80/20).
     
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    People hate it, because people have different tastes. Some people like it, others don't. You can find good and bad things about any book. I don't like Twilight. I know, many people don't like the books I like. So, who cares?
     
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    There's several reason why to hate/dislike these books. I think that they're morally just wrong. It's just sickening how Bella wants to become a vampire and where that results to. Also her love for Edward is just blind and she just goes mad and these are messages we are supposed to learn from? People can even learn from anti-heroes, if you could observe Bella or Edward as ones... I won't continue, otherwise I'll go on a tirade again lol.
     
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    I've got many reasons to hate it. So in order to be short, I'll just explain the main reason I hate twilight:
    Meyer's actions and attitudes towards her works, her fans, her critics, and to actual pieces of literature. Thats it. They are 100% reprehensible. She treats each and every fan as if they are her Divine right and that, should she address them, she's sending them godly favor and humbling herself to be at their lowly, mortal level. When Eclipse got leaked because she lent it to her sister who lent it to a sister-in-law who lent it to a little girl who lent it to a few of her friends, how Meyer describes how she handled the situation, is quite literally an explanation that she emotionally manipulated them into silence rather than just asking them to keep things quiet for the sake of other fans. Many other descriptions of her fans and that Midnight Sun tantrum demonstrates the fact that she is pretentious.

    Concerning her critics, Meyer has two responses:

    1. Plugs her ears and goes "LALALALALALLA I DON'T LISTEN TO YOU LALALALALALALA!"

    2. Cries over how mean they are, no matter how polite the critic is to her.

    She even dares to claim she takes the high road during her tantrums when taking the high road entitles things like listening to the critic, learning from what they say, apply what you learned, and move on with your life. She doesn't even listen to them. In fact when one of her fans asked her about the anti-feminist critique, she responded by shaming the fan by calling her weird and never even answering her question. That girl waited a long time just to ask Meyer that question and didnt even get a shred of respect.

    Then there's how she treats her own works. She doesn't even give a greenskin's fart to do any basic research. Brazil thanks to her somehow has a western coast and suddenly speaks Spanish because she's a lazy hack who relies on stereotypes. She barely did any research on the area in Washington State let alone on the natives living along the Washington coast. I barely know anything about america, I live on the other side of the world and yet still found it dumb. She doesn't even look up potential colleges she's name-dropped for precious Bella to see if her Sue could even apply at the time Edward made her apply. Hell, she doesn't even do research outside of looking up that one website of Vampires A-Z (if that was the site), which she somehow thinks is an academically credible website when anyone who's been in college should be able to recognize an academically credible website by looking for a few key features, such as if the site is anything other than a .com. And like that wasn't enough, she goes around harping on and on about how her work is a masterpiece and is automatically better than all those other mortal, pathetic writers who did actual work and research and really did make their pieces good. Meyer uses it time and time again to get attention and money when she's just simply another name in a sea of writers. She doesn't even treat writing as a job while she calls herself a writer. Highly unprofessional.

    Last of all, how she treats other people's literary pieces. I don't think I need to say much on how she continuously misinterprets them and never opens herself up to any other interpretations, which is also connected to how she loudly rejects any and all criticism since Meyers doesn't believe that anyone could have a different interpretation of any piece other than what she sees. Want proof? Here it is:

    She thinks The Princess Bride is mysoginistic, the news that Romeo and Juliet are dimwits is somehow a deep observation on Romeo and Juliet. Heathcliff and Catherine were for some reason meant to be, as apparently she missed the fact that Heathcliff is A F*CKING EVIL BASTARD and Catherine married someone else. Meyers thinks, that carrying on after the death of a loved one is a bad thing. For her the Merchant of Venice is a story about battle of wits between a woman saving her beloved and a dirty Jew (forgive me for that one but she probably does think in those terms considering how she treated the Native Americans in her story), and that, for one stupid reason or another - Edward and Bella are better than EVERY other couple she holds so highly. It's just mind boggling how stupid and egotistical this woman talks and acts concerning literature. And she was an English Major? What kind of a messed up college let this happen?! How did she get a degree without learning a single damn thing about writing and reading?!


    So there - that is the main reason why I bloody hate this piece of so called "literature".
     
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    I agree with this, and I must say it was actually kinda funny to read.
    I also add that I really hate the idea of vampires sparkling in the sun. there is putting your own twist on things and then there is just getting everything so f@®©in wrong that makes people think wtf.
     
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    Honestly I have to say that I enjoyed the twilight series. I can understand why people would dislike the concept of it; vampires who could go out in daylight, it became a movie for little girls to crush on, a vampire (most people expect to see bloodthirst monsters, war, vampires are the baddies 9/10) movie where theyre the good guys and falling in love, a constant focus on a love triangle. It has a weak storyline, bad acting (Imo) and is incredibly cheesy. But hey, I love the cheese.
     
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    ^ Honestly, nothing is wrong with liking stuff like twilight, so long as you realise what it is, and how exactly it works. Hell, I have one thing I like about it, or rather, one thing that happened as a consequence of these books that I like:
    I like how it inspired a backlash of sorts where people have more appreciation for the original cinematic and literary vampire. To be quite honest Vampires already being demoted to tween emo porn fantasies, long long before Twilight came along, but due to Twilight becoming mainstream it inspired a lot of people who normally wouldn't give a damn anyway(myself included) to complain about how vampires should return to their original portrayals. Honestly, it made me appreciate what vampires were in their original form.
     
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    I can agree with that point. Though I've never really been a "OMG IT HAS VAMPIRES I MUST WATCH" kind of person, it is nice to see them going back to the type that I read in stories as a child. Scary monsters.
     
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    ^ Exactly. Nothing quite like the good old evil undead monsters we all liked as kids.
     
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    Count Duckula springs to mind
     
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    even Dracula was off the mark of original vampire concepts. but I think Bram Stoker did a fairly good job on the whole book. if you are interested in vampire legends and myths, check out Dr. Bob Curran's Vampire book. it goes into detail about different regions myths on vampire like creatures. a very good read.

    ps. it might be Bill Curran, I'm too tired and lazy to get up and check right now. and I always get it mixed up. regardless, his works are great.
     
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    I may be a bit late to this party, but I don't think people initially hated the Twilight franchise simply because it existed - it was just another book series. There are loads of awful books out there, so I don't believe the publishing of Twilight received the hate. I read the first book just before the fan hurricane came, and I didn't mind it. It wasn't particularly thought-provoking, it was just a simple book, and I acknowledged it for what it was. I was interested in the theory of Vampires being something other than torrid, evil souls of Death, and that was it. But it's engulfing popularity and quickly ravaging fanbase did make it understandably irritating. Not only did it influence the culture of Vampires within literature, but it changed their image in such a way that almost stereotyped them. And, from that perspective, it can be very annoying for a reader to have everyone trying to romanticize something like a Vampire that is so designed to illustrate an alienated, demonic human that, in that sense, was specifically meant to be so. I had no problem with new Twilight fans rushing around Comic Con, because despite what fans of other things will say, we all started off (well most of us) being a fan of something we may not admit now. And besides, like GrimWarlock said before, vampires have been affiliated with things like emo fantasies for a while, it was just annoying trying to sift through the worthwhile Vampire stories, and the self indulging fantasies of random people on the internet. Ha ha
     
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    I personally believe the Twilight series to be a mediocre series -well, it is true enough that one can enjoy the series and read the books while, I don't know, coming back from work in the evening, or I don't know what -but it is surely not a very engaging series. The story is simple, there are many cliche bits in it, and the style isn't necessarily the best one comes across... I personally do not hate the series, but I understand why so many people react as they do -it might be the fact that the series became 'too' popular, and some believe it's 'unfair' (or whatnot) for something so less engaging, simple, and sheepish in parts, to be so loved and popular -they might just NOT see what's so good about this book (and, truth be told, some are in their right to believe what they believe). I think the Twilight series to have been every overrated at start, but even so, I do not hate the series -as I already know that series as such are bound to become popular nowadays (for several matters), and what's important is to draw a line. Yes, of course it's a simple book, and of course it is supposed to be amusing, exciting, and easy to read. This type of literature is 'sought' nowadays because people are busy, tired, depressed, and they need something easy to read, that will make them forget about their daily problems. Twilight succeeds into doing something like that, and, as far as I am concerned, that's all that is about this book. People must have the right to enjoy it, regardless of the constant prejudices (or not necessarily prejudices) other people have with regard to the series. It's unfortunate that so many people reacted so foolishly and childishly with regard to this series, as it is my belief that anyone should enjoy whatever anyone enjoys reading, without being pressed by others (and society) to dislike something one actually finds pleasure in. And, just between us, hating Twilight is very childish, moreover coming from someone who believes himself to be 'intellectual' or 'highly knowledgeable in literature'. One must surely admit that one has the right to like what one likes, and that the popularity of a series is not always determined by its 'quality', but by a large series of social factors.
     
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    The books, the movies - the all around phenomena has generated more brainless love and cynical hate than any other piece in recent history. So, is it really worthy of so much disgust as it gets? OF COURSE IT IS, IT'S AWFUL AND NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO..... I mean, people always seem to regard this franchise about an overly dramatic, whiny teen girl, torn between bestiality and necrophilia as one of the worst in the history of entertainment, both cinematic and literary. And given how many awful books and awful movies have come around over the years, you ask - is it really deserving of that title? Let's first get down to what is hated about it:

    1. Messes up the classic lore, most famously - vampires don't sparkle. People have made up non-classic rules about vampires before but this is just the most... Not, vampire.

    2. A great amount of plot holes and established story elements that are completely pointless and never add up, even in the context of the silly additions to Twilight's own rulebook of the supernatural. And while these first two points on Twilight being ridicilous and stupid are true.... I've seen worse, so what else?

    3. Movie effects suck - again, I've seen far, far worse, next.

    4. It's really nothing more than female oriented smut - Well this one is close. It's inspired authors of female oriented smut, but here they don't even hit the bedsheets until Part 4(and honestly the bed in that scene gave a brilliant performance - It clearly demonstrated how it did not wish to be a flat surface for flat characters.).
    But I digress, the story is focused(albeit poorly) on the emotions of the characters, (you know when they actually do have any emotion), don't get me wrong - it's horrible at it, but that still doesn't make it smut until #4. And even then the rewards of such an act are not*flashback to that birth scene*... Rewardy.

    5. So that leaves us with the last major aspect that could be counted as a reason why people hate the franchise so much - the characters and just how f*cked up they are, the fact that these people are some of the stupidest and most selfish creatures that ANY financialy succesful series has ever produced, and..... Yeah, they are.
    Firstly there is Edward who has been around for more than a hundred years and yet managed to not grow any personality, which makes sense because he falls in love with another personality-less being, but I'll get to her in a bit. They show little to no chemistry and yet he constantly throws himself at her feet, he likes to yell at her, break up with her, to get in contrived cockfights over her, calls a literal miracle of birth an evil abomination, but thats okay because.... girls like bad boys?

    Jacob is the second idiot who seems to have the hots for her, he's a little smarter than Edward, and even supportive of people he cares about, but he is still attracted to Bella which is why I said "a little smarter than Edward". His big controversy(aside from being allergic to shirts) is that he imprints on a newborn baby, which in Twi-land means she will be his future mate, making him a pedophile. It's just freaky to watch a baby grow up and be like "I'm gonna bang that one day".

    And even THESE things as stupid and awful as they get, are STILL not enough to make me say Twilight is one of the worst franchises ever.

    6. But then comes the queen of mouth breathing herself: Bella Swan: Bella is where many have the most ethical problems, and THEY SHOULD because she's awful - She never fights for herself, is overly dependent, is constantly throwing herself in danger just so her Playgirl calendars can save her, even at her goddamn wedding she barely cracks a smile, just go and look at that scene "oh I'm getting married*yawn*". So why does Bella come across as so awful and more importantly - why do so many younger girls want to follow her? Because in reality Bella is, and always has been one thing - a blank slate, meyers whether she realised it or not has tapped into many girls' and even women's fantasies, which is (we will accept that Bella is the fantasy)Bella to have all her troubles taken away by a handsome male and yet still be "troubled" in order to have the male continue looking after her. Thats why she's so dependent, and that is why she never did anything at all, because she's just an empty suit that female readers put on and enter a world of love and excitement, why for example do you think superheroes for a long time were so bland and identity-less - if they had a distinct personality that is different from your own, you couldn't possibly have a fantasy about being them.
    Now, many would argue that times have changed, and characters in pop culture have evolved into distinct personalities and have their own identity, even in genres considered unimportant in the past. And therefore nowadays, a character being too much of a blank slate, not doing anything results into an uncaring, selfish, lazy, dependent and avoiding responsibility when there is trouble. And seeing how most of the audience for this is girls or younger women, many would say that this is the worst possible role model that could possibly be made for an evolving world, and on one hand yeah - that sounds right, Bella is the worst role model for... Anyone really, just a miserable, little pain in the ass, which the story builds up a an everyday heroine, just.... No.


    But, here's something I have to say about Twilight destroying the ideology of humanity: Think back to the stuff you grew up with, superheroes, adventure, romance, fantasy, comedy. Let's admit that most of this stuff wasn't really all that great of an influence either. Let's admit that at some point we all wanted to be like what we watched. But then when we grew up and got to see the world for what it is - it wasn't really all we expected now, was it. But it's okay, and do you know why? We adapted, I for one wanted to be a Hero(you know, make the world a better place via geing always good, honest and whatnot) when I was a kid but I discovered that reality works in a different way, and kids wake up to this pretty quickly. Why? One: Humans can change - we learn and discover that our environment changes and therefore we must make changes too. Two: We grow the f*ck up, It's called being smart, and young people do it more often than we think, of course not all the time(High school musical comes to mind) but still. Remember how Madonna was supposedly a downfal of society? We simply evolve beyond the stupidity of things that we considered destructive for us. And now we look back and laugh at the stuff we considered awful sh*t back then. My guess is Twilight is going to be looked back at in the same way - it was stupid, even enjoyably stupid, and it did go too far. But honestly for every moron that would stay in the mindset that Twilight is what life really goes like - dozens will be smart and just move on. It's not really Twilight being idiotic that we hate so much, rather we hate everyone's reaction to it - the fact that our society made it a hit, and we wonder what that says about the intelligence of mankind. It may be weird and messed up but it's not the first time somebody liked unethical crap - so I'm not really paranoid about it. Oh I'll keep making fun of it mind you - but in terms of "worst franchise ever"... No, there's really much more our society has to show.
     
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