who's afraid of the big bad [strike]wolf[/strike] global warming?

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  1. Cascador

    Cascador Who's Anakin?

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    No you're just going under it...lol
     
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    Alchemist The Fighters Guide House Member

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    This "piece of crap earth" is only that way because of what we did to it.

    This crap attitude really gets me. "I dont care about this earth, Im gonna go to heaven."
    I take it you believe in God. Well, God entrusted the well-being of this "crap" earth to us, to TAKE CARE of it.

    Im gonna laugh when it turns out the people who are destroying this wonderful gift of a planet without care at all are the ones who go to hell lol.
     
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    What an arrogant, self centred view. Is this a good time to pull out the "What would Jesus say?" thing and hold it up in front of your face?
     
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    Alchemist The Fighters Guide House Member

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    A perfect time I would say so.
     
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    Crusader Disturber of the Peace

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    Not to make this a religious debate, but assumtion that you are assured a place is heaven is self-righteous conceited crap that usually means the exact opposite.

    Also, not caring about the state of the world is also a big no-no on the 'being good' spectrum
     
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    I think that no matter what we should all care for the enviroment.Because again,no matter what we don't know when this world will end and we must keep the enviroment clean,the planet safe and green and we must keep the planet pure like it used to be because we eat from the planet,we find shelter,goods and when we intervene with nature nature comes back angry and furious and destroys our impudent messing.
     
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    As the old saying goes:

    We dont inherit the earth, be borrow it from out children.

    neglecting these issues like WS is condoning just measn people suffer later on because of us.
     
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    Cascador Who's Anakin?

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    yeah and that pisses me off, people now saying it wont effect us but generations after us, so we are safe is just pure selfish! I hate that kind of attitude like WS... They think they are safe but only care about themselves if they keep that attitude up then in their religious believe they will end up in Hell... I don't care where he ends up, but if he believes in hell then he better start changing that attitude of his.
     
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    What I worry about is the forests that are being destroyed in a ridiculous degree!And not just destroyed to make paper or other stuff,but also all the fires that are being set by evil and greedy people.This summer my country suffered the worst fires ever and I hope none of you will witness anything like this in your country.It's just terrible.It even reached our "cottage" in my mom's birthplace and now where you could see these glorious green beautiful mountains that made you feel so nice,there's a huge stripe of scorched earth a bit above the middle that goes on for kilometers.Something remarkable though is that there's a church high in the mountain.The fire passed and burned everything on its path around the church and the church is still there,the walls white and beautiful and all nice.I even took some photos of that if anyone wants me to post them,but they're from my cell-phone so it's not good quality.

    Well anyway...you know what they did in Southern Greece?The government permitted a lot of land that was burned to be made into hotels,casinos and maybe villas as well.So much for trying to stop the forest fires and all these evil people that are trying to exploit the forests for their profit...
     
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    Actually I think your position is rather conceited. Someone thinks they're going to heaven, so you assume they are bound for hell?

    Anyways, off religious discussion.

    This is from a Australian science journal.

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22896334-2,00.html

    Oy. This is giving me a headache. The very idea is ruthlessly totalitarian. I guess it's true when they say Green is the new Red.
     
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    not at all, I'm merely saying assumtion is an act of self-judgement when that final judgement is not in your hands according to religion. Are not humilty and modesty virtues strived for? is not the question what more can I do? rather than have i done enough? I did say it 'usually' meant the opposite because its usually the sign of conceit, but not always, but in any case its still self-righteousness that doesnt really reflect a glowing personality.
     
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    So how could anyone save the planet from enviromental disaster?I wanna hear suggestions so that other people might get ideas of how to help save the enviroment!;)
     
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    Destroy All Humans -- name of a really cool game and pretty much the best solution to the problem (as long as destruction is localy applied - no nukes)

    Honestly I don't think we can prevent the "disaster" that is global warming. Our weakness is that we are a majority race which is sedenterised (we do not migrate) thus when the climate chances we stay where we are - it means we will have to adapt. That means cost - which means that the richer nations will be better siuted to survive and preserve how they run, Poorer nations will have to adapt and I suspect there will be wide scale migrations of people for better lands (more so than there are already).

    A scray fact is that the good old USA is looking towards weather control to solve the problem - an attempt to fix the global (or at least US) climate in a "stable" state. It will only end in disaster and tears - we can't even be certain of what the weather will be like tomorrow - let alone even begin to comprehend the whole scale it covers, let alone all the feedback loops and knock on effectes that any change might cause.

    Emissions reduction and recycling will not stop what is going to happen, but I see no reason in concerving resources and improving the quality of air that we all breath
     
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    Anduril Flame of the West

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    Is global warming happening? Yes it is. And four decades ago, the climate was cooling.

    The real issue is whether or not humans have that much of an influence on it (and I'm not talking about smog but rather glaciers melting away). I'm all for moving away from oil and for taking care of the environment, but the panic of global warming has become nonsensical. Now we are telling poor starving people in Africa that they're allowed to use wind energy and solar panels, but they can't use cheap energy like coal or fossil fuels. Curious. How many of us have resisted the switch to solar panels because of the cost? Do you think the Africans are going to move over?

    Many good scientists who have clearly shown that it is not carbon dioxide emissions that are causing global warming. Sadly, in America, we tend to listen to politicians rather than scientists.
     
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    warrior_squirrel21 blue is my favorite color

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    I would respond in the same way, only not with "crap"
    I dont really care what people call me for that post. And why the heck would I be goin......oh lol I just got it. "six feet under" nice anikin, nice. but no really, I do think i'm goin to heaven,and calling me arrogent and self centrald isnt going to change it, so you can get over it mub, and wats his face that was agreeing with you.
    (lemme guess, your gonna get angry and bann me or give me a referal or somthing right? i mean, even though this is in no way insulting, or it shouldnt be at least)
    ;)
     
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    Why thank you for agreeing with me.
     
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    Well i hardily think you're a modern day saint, how much charity and volunteer work do you do? how much of your own wealth do you give away to the needy? How many lives have you saved?

    Arrogance is not a virtue, humility is.
     
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    warrior_squirrel21 blue is my favorite color

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    Well,

    1: I do alot of voleenter work with the ROTC

    2:I'm 14, so I dont really have any wealth....

    3: Saving someones life isnt a daily oppertunity for me really.....
     
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    I'm pretty sure to consider yourself worthy of heaven, regardless of whether you are or not, is a sin of pride.
     
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    I haven't read the previous 4 pages so I'm just going to give my opinion.

    I'm not sure how much of an influence human activity has had on global warming. Only because historical records show that the earth gets really hot and then really cold in cycles. So perhaps we are just in another natural warm cycle, but seeing as the earth moves slowly, ie millions of years, the few thousand years of recorded human history makes it seem worse to us than ever before.

    However.....

    I do believe that we only have one planet so we shouldn't be killing it. Pumping millions of tonnes of toxic gases into the air has proven negative health effects on humans. Destroying natural forests reduces CO2 absorption, as well as removing the natural habitat for wildlife.

    So while I live a stereotypical indulgent westerner lifestyle, I try and make concessions. I ride my bike to work, we have small and medium sized 4 cylinder cars, we pay extra for renewable energy for our home, we have a grey water system to help the garden, we use energy saving light bulbs and don't run extra lights or appliances we don't need, etc etc etc.

    I can understand governments not wanting to make anyone unemployed by aiming for more environmentally friendly power and industtries. However for every job or industry that closes, you're going to get new ones popping up. Close a coal fired power station? Well the new solar or geothermal plant needs technicians, so go work there. V8 SUV plant closing down? Go build hybrids.

    As one door closes, usually another door will open. So while I'm still on the fence about global warming, I believe we should be more environmentally responsible, globally, simply because we need to look after the only planet we have.