Where were the Dwarves during the War of the Ring?

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  1. Huskylord

    Huskylord New Member

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    Hello to all (first post).
    I have read the LOTR and Hobbit, but that was several years ago, so my memory is a little fuzzy. ( I loved the movies btw).
    Anyways, onto my question....I understand that Gimli was sent to represent the Dwarves at the Council of Elrond, but where were they otherwise? If Gimli was ignorant of the fact Balin was dead in Moria and there was no other mention of dwarves participating in some other manner, where are the current strongholds of the Dwarf people and is there a specific reason why we don't see more of this race?

    Thank you for any responses.
    Cheers! :)
     
  2. Glorfy_of_Imladris

    Glorfy_of_Imladris Mysterious Glorfy

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    Somewhere on the end of RotK or in the Appendices (don't know anymore), you can find that the Dwarves of the Realm of Erebor where fighting Orcs in the North, just like Celeborn and Thranduil.
    And the fact Gimli didn't know anything about Balins death, is because Balin wanted to retake Moria; he and his soldiers didn't have any contact with their relatives in Erebor.
     
  3. byzantine warrior

    byzantine warrior Autokratos Konstantinou

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    Also lots of dwarves had strongholds in the blue mountains and the iron hills
     
  4. Shinagani

    Shinagani New Member

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    Yes the stand at the Lonely Mountain was mentioned in the Appendices I believe, it also said that if the dwarves and men of Dale had not held the mountain, the Orcs would have probably pressed on to Rivendell and there would not have been a Queen of Gondor.
     
  5. Radagast

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    Yup. Everything has been pretty much been said. As the third age went on, dwarves grew less and less concerned with others affairs, and basically were in a state of isolation. Would of been nice to see more of them in LotR though, the only taste we really get is in The Hobbit.
     
  6. Turin

    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    And their part in the Sil/BoLT. I think they were portayed as being a bit sinister in those stories.
     
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    Radagast Art House Member

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    Yeah, but even then we didn't get significant ammounts of characters, other than Min.
     
  8. finrod

    finrod Born to woe.

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    Right, and the rest of the dwarves that were mentioned (especially in BoLT) were generally portrayed as
    bad guys.
     
  9. Shinagani

    Shinagani New Member

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    Well yeah it's because of those dumb dwarves that Beleriand was destroyed..darn them, maybe things would have gone differently at Gondolin if Melkor had lost a good piece of his armies destroying Beleriand instead of those dumb dwarves destroying it, curse them, we hates them....
     
  10. Lady_of_Shalott

    Lady_of_Shalott Weaving the Magic Web

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    I think you may be turning into Gollum there, Shinagani. You'd better watch it. ;)
     
  11. The Archangel

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    not all the dwarves were portrayed as bad, firod (i think) was friends with them, and they were present at the battle where all the bad things happen (cant remember what it was called) u know, the one where hurin gets captured, and goldolin marches too. the dwarf-folk or either nogrod or belegost take a few axes to glaurung(?) and get him a bit annoyed.
     
  12. Lainovion

    Lainovion Royal Guard of Gil-Galad

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    not to mention that the dwarves are the least populated main race in middle earth, and lead very secretive lives. I understand, that at one point the dwarves were near to extinction.
     
  13. The Archangel

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    when was that?
     
  14. celebrimor

    celebrimor Elven Jewel-smith

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    In the fourht battle of belerain it says somewere that the orcs to ataxked the Naugrim (dwarves) but i havent found anything about the dwarves in the war of the ring.. but in the war of wrath it says there weere a few. hope it helps
     
  15. ElvishTwin

    ElvishTwin Left-handed Scribe

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    Wow, everyone's so smart here...

    From what I read in FotR, The Council of Elrond, both Gimli and his father, Gloin attended the council, and Gloin was the one doing all the talking, not Gimli. One theory about why the dwarves were viewed as the "bad guys", especially in the Silmarillion, was that the elves and the dwarves were at odds with each other. The dwarves had been created by Aule the Smith before Illuvatar was able to wake the elves, and this casued much tension between the two kinds. And Tolkien does seem to favor the elven race a little bit...
     
  16. The Archangel

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    there were seven fathers, three of which founded nogrod, belegost and Kazad-dum (spelling), so that means theres four other fathers of the dwarves wandering around somewhere in the east, so presumably there be at least another four great cities, though whether they be with sauron or against him is another matter.
     
  17. isengard111

    isengard111 The Master Chief

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    I always thought that the reason that Elves and Dwarves hated each other was because the Dwarves killed Thingol and stole the Silmaril. But I'm sure there are two sides to that story.
     
  18. Curufeanor

    Curufeanor Master Noldori Elvensmith

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    During the First Age, the dwarves were mainly portrayed as greedy little nasties who lusted after the Nauglimir, for the silmarils it bore. During the Second Age, they were 'off in their mountains, mining for riches, caring nothing for the troubles of others'. In the Third Age, they fought off the hordes of Mordor at Erebor and the Iron Hills in the far north.
     
  19. Bard

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    Also,
    I am pretty sure that in the last alliance dwarves were on both sides.
     
  20. Lady_of_Shalott

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    Dwarves were on both sides? I never heard of such a thing. Where did you get that?