Where is Varys?

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  1. Turin

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    As I read AFFC I guess that I assumed he fled Kings Landing with Tyrion, fearing implication in Tywin's death. After reading the recently posted exerpt from A Dance With Dragons, this doesn't seem to be the case. I suppose he could have left Westeros, just not with Tyrion, but it's left some questions.

    Thoughts?
     
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    That's what I thought too. Crusader might have some speculations, though, as he was oh-so-nice about rubbing it in that I was wrong. So let's see if he can come up with a better theory. ;)
     
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    Well i made a suggestion in the other thread, considering where he could have gone.

    It seems to me he wouldnt leave Westeros, as his part in conspiring with illyrio etc is taking care of the seven kingdoms, so where to go if the queen wants you dead. he could stay hidden in kings landing being the master of disguise but couldnt do too much influence. hes got no love with stannis so could expect to be shortened.

    the most sensible choice would be dorne, where theres mycella to use as a ploy somehow. AND the martells are dragon friendly so he can work his magic there.

    just a suggestion though.
     
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    Totally random thought: Could he be part of what's going on in Oldtown?
     
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    That's a good thought. I wonder though, what other connections he might have outside of Westeros.
     
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    I was thinking along the same lines as App. Perhaps he went to the Citadel.
     
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    to make a reasonable suggestion you need a motive, not 'hey that would be cool'

    I was also wondering if the dragon-conspiracy thing might not just be illyrio and varys at the top, maybe theres someone else there. Oooh how bout Melisandre, under her command stannis has been killing off kings and such weakening most of the powers that be, and then now hes off at the wall, unconcerned with the rest of the world in a fight that is likely going to get him wightified......some of you said maybe melisandre knows that stannis isnt the prince that was promised etc and shes using him, maybe because shes in on the whole thing with the spider and the manatee
     
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    I found a quote last night in ASoS that has to do with Varys/Oldtown. But, I do agree with you Cru. There needs to be a motive. But - as we have no clue what's going on in Oldtown, there could be a reason for him to be there. Here's a crazy idea, what if Sarella is Alleras (like we all have been theorizing) and she's posing as Alleras because she's one of Varys' "little birds". That way Varys is tied in with Dorne too (kind of).
     
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    When Tyrion "unmakes" Grand Maester Pycelle he and Varys have a conversation about the appointment of the new grand maester.

    "The Conclave met in Oldtown behind closed doors, Tyrion knew; its delibertaions were supposedly a secret. So Varys has little birds in the Citadel too.
     
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    but he's supposed to have them everywhere.............

    and besides if alleras IS sarella which im not sure of........why? isnt she one of the sandsnakes? (dont have affc with me) okay.....so what? as ive already established, theyre incompetent and have no real use.
     
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    She can't be a little bird, as Varys uses very small children who have their tongues cut out. Besides which how would Sarella get into a meeting for the Archmaesters?

    I disagree with the Melisandre thing, though. Dunno why, but for some reason I can't really see her plotting with the Spider and Illyrio.

    Here's a thought - maybe Marwyn is conspiring with them instead.
     
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    whose marwyn again?
     
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    The crazy Archmaester at the Citadel. Marwyn "the Mage" I think they call him. He has the glass candle and...SPOILER FROM AFFC...




    Decides to go to Dany at the end of AFFC in Aemon's place.
     
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    ah right, well i think maybe the conspirators ahve some magicalness to them, illyrio knew about the dragons.........he calls varys a wizard beneith the red keep etc, maybe marywn could fit in there. Since marwyn usedf the candle or whatevcer to see into the future (did he?, no affc with me) maybe thats how varys gets his secrets (the litte birds being the children are onyl for the tunnels in the red keep, he obviously has informers elsewhere which could be called little birds too).
     
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    Marwyn was also Mirri's tutor.
     
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    is that speculation or written in the books?
     
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    Written in the books, GoT, Dany chapter when Mirri's talking to Dany about her skills as a healer. She mentioned something about a maester teaching her. If you like, I can find the exact quote for you later.
     
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    I know she was tutored by a maester, but i dont remember any link to marwyn.
     
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    Page 672, American Bantam paperback edition:

    "My mother was godswife before me, and taught me all the songs and spells most pleasing to the Great Shepherd, and how to make the sacred smokes and ointments from leaf and root and berry. When I was younger and more fair, I went in caravan to Asshai by the Shadow, to learn from their mages. Ships from many lands come to Asshai, so I lingered long to study the healing ways of distant peoples. A moonsinger of the Jogos Nhai gifted me with her birthing songs, a woman of your own riding people taught me the magics of grass and corn and horse, and a maester from the Sunset Lands opened a body for me and showed me all the secrets that lie beneath the skin."

    Ser Jorah Mormont spoke up. "A maester?"

    "Marwyn, he named himself," the woman replied in the Common Tongue. "From the sea. Beyond the sea. The Seven Lands, he said. Sunset Lands. Where men are iron and dragons rule. He taught me this speech."

    "A maester in Asshai," Ser Jorah mused. "Tell me, Godswife, what did this Marwyn wear about his neck?"

    "A chain so tight it was like to choke him, Iron Lord, with links of many metals."


    Lesson of the day: Don't argue with Liadan on ASoIaF facts. ;) :D
     
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    smart ass