where did elves come from?

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  1. Broknpotre

    Broknpotre I know kung fu...

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    Yeah, in Norse mythology, they are only mentioned briefly. They never really do anything in the myths. The only time I heard anything about them were in descriptions of how the different worlds were created. The regular elves lived in Alfheim, next door to Asgard, and there were dark elves who lived underground in Svartalfaheim. At least I think that was underground, around where the dwarves lived. I never read any stories about what the elves were like, or what they did. But that's not too surprising, since it's kind of hard to find Norse myths in writing anywhere.

    Very cool correlary though: Gandalf is actually old Norse for "magic elf". I always thought that was neat. Although that was the name of one of the dwarves in Norse mythology. I have no idea why they would have named a dwarf 'magic elf'.
     
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  2. Glorfy_of_Imladris

    Glorfy_of_Imladris Mysterious Glorfy

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    Not only Norse, Scandinavian would be more presicely :p
     
  3. prancingponyregular

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    yep. its definitely a teutonic word. in this here pre tolkien dictionary it just refers to them as -supernatural being;mischievous creature;dwarf;little creature- i guess tolkien was responsible for "sexing them up"

    whats cooler is the compounds it gives:
    elf-bolt, flint arrowhead
    elf-lock, tangled mass of hair
    elf-struck, bewitched
     
  4. prancingponyregular

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    although i still believe that elves were a renegade band of brownies that broke away when the changed the uniform
     
  5. reem

    reem Slaps forehead "Doh!"

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    I've always felt that Tolkien's elves had some similarities with the Celtic 'sidhe'. Though I don't know if the sidhe are in anyway connected to Norse mythology.
     
  6. Loki the Demon

    Loki the Demon "Belgium, Man!"

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    Yeah, I think what Broknpotre said was fairly correct. But in norse mythologies Svartalfs are dwarves. Mining, forging stuff and stuff. I think they were punished for being mischievious. the other elves just lived in alfheim and played all day or something like that I guess. thats about the only difference for norse mythology. Except that dwarves feature a bit more in some of their myths than elves do.
     
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    bottom of gardens??

    northpole or the southpole?? apparently the south pole elves are very moody!!

    tolkien brillant mind!!
     
  8. Lainovion

    Lainovion Royal Guard of Gil-Galad

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    It's much cooler though, imagining santa's elves as in tolkiens works. Legolas pass me the shovel, I have reindeer stalls to tend ! LoL !
     
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    lol!! they might be normal people who died and fairies brought them back as elves!!
     
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    No, Santa'selves are :guin: midgits!
     
  11. Harrison

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    I have this little thing that is a troll from old Scandinavian folklore, their stories suggest that they might have some think like elves.
     
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    Akasha the high cost of living

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    I remember reading somewhere that there were tall, fair elves before Tolkien - they existed in Scandinavian myths like it was mentioned. But over the years, the way elves were treated by literature turned them into small and silly creatures. Tolkien really resented the way many writers (including Shakespeare) had treated the elves and other fair folk and what they done to their imagine, so he wrote about his own version of the elves, closer to the original myths.
     
  13. Fingon

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    There were many signs of elven world in much of the mythological world. I read many stories telling of an island closed to all human eyes. That elves await their hour to come forth.
    ~Fingon
     
  14. Draconis

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    Ever read about the greater Fae from the british islands?


    Its been a bit since I saw those books but human sized fairy creatures (no stinking wings!) that wandered around causing problems. I think that they were the Trooping Fairys...

    I may be a little off its been a few years since I read those storys.
     
  15. Turin

    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    :duh: from that tree where they bake all those cookies. (Rolls eyes at the silly question) :D
     
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    Galadriel True Heir

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    I think they might have been the smarter beings on this earth among men and they might have grown as a sort of tribe (in the elv world or something) and used their knowledge for their own sake and to save the world from totallity. Especially nature.
     
  17. Turambar

    Turambar Harebrained Staff Member

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    Luckily we have Tolkien saying a word or two about his inspiration like:

    "I was from early days grieved by the poverty of own beloved country: it has no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil); not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands. There was Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, and Finnish (which greatly affected me)."

    -The Silmarilion, letter to Milton Waldman

    So... who knows anything about the Finnish Mythology?
     
  18. Talan

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    Norse elves were one step lower than gods, and one step higher than men. I'm fairly certain that they were tall, fair, and benevolent. The small elves like Santa Clause's helpers probably got their roots from imps.

    Dwarves and Dark Elves are actually the same, I think.