where did elves come from?

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  1. Sarah

    Sarah New Member

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    where did elves come from?:rolleyes:
     
  2. Winterine

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    Could you be a bit more specific?
     
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    Crusader Disturber of the Peace

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    in tolkiens world iluvitar (the god) made them, i usually mispell his name so i use his shorter one, Eru.
     
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    Yeah, I cosidered that, then I noticed this wasn't in the LOTR section, but in general fantasy...
     
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    Skyanide The Big Meanie Staff Member

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    I think they're made in the Keebler Tree. You know....
     
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    That's a good guess, Sky, but I don't think that's exactly what Sarah meant... ;)

    Now that we're on the subject, I'd really like to know the answer to that myself!!
     
  7. Radagast

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    Norse Mythology?
     
  8. Lady_of_Shalott

    Lady_of_Shalott Weaving the Magic Web

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    You're probably right, Radagast. Many of the ideas in fantasy came from the old Norse myths. Tolkien himself took many ideas from them.
     
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    There were elves in most of European mythology. I'm not sure where the notion started. Probably to explain events that the people themselves couldn't explain. Just blame it on the elves, gnomes, etc.

    Sky, The Keebler elves make cookies in their tree. Not more elves.
     
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    Are you sure?

    They look way too chipper to be stuck doing bakery duty ALL the time...hehe
     
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    And you tell me, my mind is in the gutter. :rolleyes:
     
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    Lady_of_Shalott Weaving the Magic Web

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    I think both of you are asking for a trip to the funny farm. :D
     
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    Ooooo.. The funny Farm. Is it better than the looney bin?? Cause I want to go. :D
     
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    Much better than the looney bin. It's less crowded. :D If you really want to go, I'll give you directions....;)
     
  15. Broknpotre

    Broknpotre I know kung fu...

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    I'd guess that they come more from the north pole, as opposed to the Keebler Tree. I mean, I doubt they work all the time in either place, so they probably come from both places. In the north pole though, I think they'd definitely be looking for creative ways to beat the cold while they aren't stuck on the assembly line.
     
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    Broknpotre I know kung fu...

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    But seriously, if you're asking about the original myths, they did show up in both Celtic and Norse mythology. To the Celts, they started out as elemental spirits of trees and other natural objects. They were similar in Norse tales, although I've never seen many details about the Norse elves.
     
  17. Elladan

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    What I want to know is, what's the reason for the dual imagery of elves in European culture?

    I mean, on the one hand, you've got the short, toy-making elves, i.e. Santa Claus.

    On the other hand, you have the tall, fair elves of Tolkien's ilk.

    They're both rooted in the mythology of Europe, obviously. So why is there such a big disparity?
     
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    Wasn't the whole tall, wise, fair elves Tolkiens making? I thought I read somewhere he had made the first elves of that kind. He was the one who changed the elfimage upside down.
     
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    Yes Tolkien changed the whole perspective of elves at least to the readers of his books
     
  20. Nienor

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    All the elves in European mythologies are little creatures, like Keebler elves or santa's elves. Usually benign, but occasionally mischevious little creatures.

    I've read a little norse mythology, but never seen anything there about elves at all. Has anyone here read a bit of Norse mythology and seen something I didn't?