What is/are the best metal/s to make a sword out of?

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  1. Link

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    What would be the best metals to make a sword ouf of?

    I mean like the lightest, strongest, sharpest, shiniest, BEST sword you could think of.

    What would be the best metal, and how expensive would it cost?


    I ask this b/c in the future I plan to make Anduril, The Master Sword, and Ringil (Fingolfin's Sword) and I wanted to know, just for curiosity, what could make it the best.


    Like that Titanium crap, or howabout Adamantium (I kid, I kid).
     
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    Traditionally Japanese carbon steel is usually the best all around steel to use for sword making. It has just the right amount of trace elements to give it the best characteristics for a functional sword. Most top grade Japanese carbon steel has around 3% trace elements and the rest is but kicking IRON! So naturally it would be stronger than most even if it is thin...so that would include the lightest as well.
     
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    Oh almost forgot...cost depends on what type of sword you are talking about. It it is a Japanese ktana it can start as low as $300.00 to well into the hundreds of thousands for some musem pieces.
     
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    I agree with Swordsman; I think you will find that most swordsmiths agree that carbon steel is the best. The Japanese folded their steel when making swords to help align the crystalline structure of the steel, making it harder and stronger. Also folding the steel involves many reheating, hammering, and quinching; I read somewhere that it is believed that each time the metal is re-heated (using the traditional charcoal forge) minute amounts of carbon (via the charcoal) are picked up and aid in creating a harder steel. I have also read that they sandwiched a hard exterior with a softer core steel to give the swords the necessary flexability, durability, and the ability to hold a fine edge. I read that somewhere, I did :fightyou:

    Titanium and other space-age alloyes often require a laser to cut and shape them properly. Not something the average or even above average swordsmith has laying about in his ship! :nono:

    Somewhere on this forum there is a link to a fasinating article concerning the two main guys behind the LOTR swords. It is very interesting and worth a read. :)

    :dragon:
     
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    Here is the link for that :dragon: for those interested


    The Men Behind the Swords in “The Lord of the Rings”
    An interview with Peter Lyon and John Howe
    By Björn Hellqvist
     
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    it depends on how much time, money ect. I find a good type is 5160. Its not the best, but its pretty darn good
     
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    I agree, the 10- high carbon series are good also. ( starting at 1070 up I think. Not that impressed by 1060)
     
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    I've heard that spring steel is pretty good as functional sword metal
     
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    Skyanide The Big Meanie Staff Member

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    "Spring steel" is just a common name for a group of high-carbon steel, whereas 440C, 5160, 1060, D2 etc, are specific alloys of steel.

    Spring steel really got its name from just that -- it was the steel used in making automobile leaf springs.

    And just for the record, titanium would NOT be a good swordmaking material. Adding titatium to an alloy adds both hardness and brittleness to the metal...you may as well be waving around a glass wand. Titanium works in golf clubs and submarines because it it very rigid and does not deform easily. Which is good at 2 miles underwater or on a golf course but not on a battlefield...
     
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    Cheers skyanide, I learn something new everyday.
     
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    you certainly seem to do your homework on this, Sky. :D
     
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    Well, like us all, I am doing reading to understand better swords and swordmaking.

    I am familiar though with metallurgy because altough I work as a licensed electrician and a robotics tech for a large automotive company, I also have an industrial machinist license. I have worked in various capacities in tool and die, forging and casting, although this does not relate directly to swordmaking.
     
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    although there seems to be alot of talk of Japanese sword folding that is all I know about it. are there any online sources aobut the whole Japanese folding and forging process. good pics would be nice but I am not picky. i am a newbee (newbie...?) when it comes to the whole forging process, so alot of technical gargon with the absence of little words would not do me any good. I have tried bugie but they are low on detailes. anything would help.
    thanks
     
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    Best would be to go to amazon or barns and noble web site and search for books, thats the best way to learn, other than actually doing it.
     
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    Nice link Wandering.
     
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    There is a book called "Craft of the Japanese Sword" that has lots of pics and explains things in simple terms. Even I understood it! The smith in it makes his living making traditional swords with traditional methods. It even has step by step pics and info.
     
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    There is only one combination of metal that is perfect for a sword, and that is a combination of CPM420V Stainless Steel, traditional Japanese steel, and Damascus steel. It might not be the shiniest, but it'll last a good long time.... I think.


    I'm actually more into knives. They're way faster than any sword, and it has been proven that it's possible to take on a swordsman with a dagger and win. It's been even more proved that daggers can help you to kill an evil dude with a broadsword if you're hurt and your sword is broken.
     
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