What if the world just doesn't work?

Discussion in 'Every Day Debating' started by evadra, Jun 15, 2011.

  1. ~Elladan~

    ~Elladan~ A Elbereth Gilthoniel

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    Foinikas I think you're a bit crazy. Better that your sectioned asap before you do harm to yourself or others.
     
  2. Anduil

    Anduil New Member

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    Socialism failed years now... The point is democracy failed all over the world... Democracy = citizens rule but i don't see that... (before you accuse me , this is my ****ing opinion)
     
  3. Foinikas

    Foinikas Playing backgammon!

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    I'm crazy?Maybe I am crazy.But anyway whoever wants can take a look here:


    http://www.threeworldwars.com/protocols.htm
     
  4. LyannaWolfBlood

    LyannaWolfBlood Ella Dictadora

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    So the writers of the Protocols predicted that there would be an economic crisis and that workers would be angry. That happens every few decades or so.

    First of all, nice patronising touch with the "dear". Secondly, they aren't coming true in anything other than the vaguest fashion (as in, there is an economic crisis occurring).

    Jews and (more particularly, I would argue) Evangelical Christians do influence US foreign policy towards Israel, that much is true. That's a long way from saying that Jews control all of US foreign policy, and even further from suggesting that France and the rest of Western Europe are controlled by Jews (for which you have no evidence whatsoever).

    You do realise we're talking about a document that was exposed in 1921 as having been written by the Russian secret service, don't you? As El has already pointed out, you're crazy. And a blog written by some random person does not help your case at all.
     
  5. Foinikas

    Foinikas Playing backgammon!

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    Go check the link I gave you in my previous post if you want.And if you check things a bit more yourself you'll find out that it's not "vague" at all.Predictions no,plans yes.What they're saying in their protocols is coming to reality one by one.
     
  6. LyannaWolfBlood

    LyannaWolfBlood Ella Dictadora

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    Trying checking this link, which is a copy of the original articles in the Times in 1921 proving that the Protocols are a fake, and that the writers had copied large sections from an older book "The Geneva Dialogues", adding in the references to a Jewish conspiracy. "Machiavelli" in the Dialogues became the Jews in the Protocols.

    Examples:
    This is my last post on this topic.
     
  7. Foinikas

    Foinikas Playing backgammon!

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    Are the protocols in effect right now?Do they fit in our times or not?I think they do.It's a too darn big coinsidence if it's just a coincidence and not a conspiracy.But unfortunately we see all that happening.And man,they ruin the world.
     
  8. Turambar

    Turambar Harebrained Staff Member

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    I would challenge you to take a look at this chart and explain the fact that (after Luxembourg, which is not a real country) Sweden tops the bill on GDP.

    Also: look at the difference between the US and the Netherlands. The GDP per capita and the national debt as a percentage of the GDP (total) are within one percent of each other.


    Assuming your statment is true, how would you explain this very narrow margin between the two? And the distance to Sweden?
     
  9. evadra

    evadra New Member

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    Alot of things might be the same, people being in poverty for one, governments screwing people over etc. But with all the advances in health care etc are we not just heading for doom as we are keeping people alive for longer than the world can support?

    And mu point isn't that we are worse off than we were, but what if we just have got it wrong, and always have got it so wrong that it just isn't going to work. How much longer can we keep on expanding?

    Really didn't think this thread would go the way it has.........
     
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    I believe that we have got it wrong and always have got it so wrong and yes world in nowadays view / image doesn't work... There is a EU that is not a unity... Countries follow Germany and have euro while most of the countries collapse cause of it. There is also U.S.A a country that did some many wars and now got 14.000.000.000.000 dollars debt and of course has problems like no health insurance for mos t of people. There is also China that produces what ever product you can imagine with millions of cheap workers that killed all European workers and European production industry. We got dozens of nature disasters every year... (worst in Japan this year) and no one do anything to prevent what is going wrong... this is the serious problem. I don't need to mention Africa or the Arabic world ... all that people care is money... cause money = source for surviving... what more to say... This world doesn't work that is obvious...
     
  11. Foinikas

    Foinikas Playing backgammon!

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    Yeah what the heck is going on with China?Are they already a major economic and political power?China has millions of workers building stuff.
    Man you know something?The Chinese are like the Borg of Star Trek.Whatever they find or encounter they copy it.
    They copy shoes,they copy T-shirts,they copy bags,they copy toys....and they copy weapons as well!Tanks,missile systems,jet fighters...lol man.
     
  12. Sparrow

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    I think you're comparing apples and... not oranges, something that's not even a fruit. ;)

    America has the kind of overhead expenses that Sweden can't even imagine. Aside from our insanely large military we give billions in aid to countries all over the world, much of it misspent in my opinion. Eastern Europe is no longer dominated by the Soviet Union... no thanks to Sweden, or the Netherlands. America is in the omelette making business, and when you're making omelets you gotta break some eggs. And these eggs don't come cheap.

    When Sweden sends a man to the moon or saves the world from communism, then we can talk whose system of government works the best. Sweden has spent the better part of the last century isolating itself from the rest of the world. While Europe burned it did nothing, actually worse than nothing, they conducted business with Nazi Germany.
     
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    That's definitely a concern as resources are finite and never fairly divided.
    But then I think back to last year when I had my appendix removed. In 24 hours I went from feeling just fine to doubled over in pain. They didn't even waste time with a MRI. I was wheeled into OR, put under, and an hour later my nearly burst appendix was no more.
    A hundred years ago I would probably have died, a 150 years ago I'd definitely be pushing up daisies. I think you're right though, medical advances are a double-edged sword, as are most technological advances. Sometimes they create more problems than they solve.


    I think you're looking at humanity in the wrong way.
    Imagine it the way Darwin would.
     
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  14. Turambar

    Turambar Harebrained Staff Member

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    This is odd. You blame the Greeks for having failed because they don't do it the American way. In a rather coarsely stated fashion, I should say.

    And, when provided with examples which seem to defy your statement and show that a - in American eyes - socialist system is doomed to fail, you state that the US fares a loosing course as well?

    I must conclude that above statement cancels your claim about work ethos and/or socialism in Greece :)
     
  15. Sparrow

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    All empires someday fail, ours will likely be no different.

    But then America has only been a country for a shade over 235 years.
    America also practices limited socialism, we have all kinds of social programs over here... most of which don't accomplish much.
     
  16. evadra

    evadra New Member

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    It does make me laugh how young America is. I used to work at one of the Colleges at Oxford Uni, and that was OLDER than America!
     
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    You're not alone, most Americans don't appreciate how far things have come and what a dramatic effect the USA has had on the world. It's amazing to realize there were folks born in the western frontier that lived long enough to watch an American set foot on the Moon.
     
  18. Sevi

    Sevi Pocałunek!

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    Have you heard of the "Venus Project"?