What if the world just doesn't work?

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  1. evadra

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    With all the crap that goes on in the world. The constant fighting, the failing economies, the rising crime etc etc. What if the world just doesn't work. What if economies are and always have been doomed to fail? And politics really are as useless as they seem to be.......what if there is nothing humans can do, because we set up all these systems, and what if we set them up wrong, and they are all just going to fail?........
     
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    then we will all suffer the entropy of cyber punk?

    Tell me. When was "it all" better?
     
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    All human systems failed in my opinion. If you look back in time all political systems failed to satisfy all people... That's why i believe that there is God after all!!! Human is not a perfect being... will always make mistakes... But i still give hope to humanity...
    I believe that economic crisis are made by the people with the most money in our world... They don't need more money but they hunt for more just to make rest of people suffer. All countries have debts... What is going on to my country is worst than a war... People gonna starve cause someone decide to erase greek economy from the map... Same happened in Argentina. Until people took up the situation in their hands and killed the politicians... I believe that soon maybe in our days a great war will come up... History teach us that after an economic crisis always follows war...
     
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    You... do realise that the reasoning is somewhat crooked - that is to say - misses a few steps of logic, no? :p

    People taking matters into their own hands. By your reasoning, that should be a bad thing. Since all human systems (including revolution) failed.

    My dear Anduil. History shows that there is no "the people". Each human has its own perspective and interests. This is one of the most imporant reason why "systems" - let's call them political systems - fail.

    Anyway, history shows that democracy is probably the closets "the people" will come to "taking control". All other experiments have shown that an elite or a clique will form, which shares and protects power.

    There is a great discrepancy between economic crisis and war. However, this doesn't have to be the case. I would like you to consider Japan since the start of the 1990's, for instance.

    Anyway, it is my opinion that only fools and soldiers want war. Be careful what you wish for...
     
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    I didn't wish for a war my dear Turambar. all i said is that i m afraid that a war will come soon... History showed that many times...

    And when i say people i mean the citizens of a country... And democracy failed in my country (that gave birth to the word δήμος + κράτος, demo + cracy) cause politicians lied to the people for 30 years... can you imagine... I need to ask you Turambar. Can you live with 500 euros a month??? cause that is happening in Greece now... and same is happening in all south Europe... my point is that citizens where fooled before elections... and now even what government do was against the law... Can you imagine a prime minister taking decisions by his own and by his decisions breaking the law... Is that democracy??? You think that Greeks are crazy that they went to squares and roads...???

    As for revolution is not a political system in my opinion... revolution is the time that needs to change political system... that's why its called revolution. Cause when the old system is gone then revolution stops and comes then new system... I don't know a single case in history that there was revolution as a political system...
     
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    Ask Fidel Castro this question ^^
     
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    Sorry to burst your bubble,but these are all signs of the times.Artificial "financial crisis" worldwide,trying to unite the world in big "confederations",trying to abolish or put religion aside.Then a certain guy appears and gives solution to all problems.The Jews will herald him as their Messiah.

    Of course many of you don't believe in all that.But the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are being enforced one by one.
     
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    Lol Fidel who ruled Cuba all his life(since he got to power)and the people in Cuba still eat food with a ration paper?And coupons to buy food? Haaaasta la victoria siempre.
    Then the commies here say "OH NO IT'S BECAUSE OF THE IMPERIALIST COUNTRIES AND THEIR EMBARGO ON CUBA!" because you see...if there was no embargo on Cuba...Cubans would be all rich now with Fidel.Oh man...

    At least they have free cigars though.
     
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    Turambar Cuba got Unitary republic it is a communist state... There is no revolution, rebellion or anything like that as political system... As i told you rebellion is the period that needs a country to change political systems... is not a system...
     
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    There is nothing new under the sun.
    Humanity is, and has always been in constant turmoil and if anything, things are better now than they've ever been. Compared to how folks lived a hundred years ago most of us live like royalty.
     
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    It's not that democracy failed in Greece, it is socialism that failed.
    The average American worker takes less than two weeks vacation a year... which is about 1/3 of the time our counterparts in Europe take off from their jobs. We don't have free healthcare, most of us will have to work well into our sixties before retiring, hell, my mom is 76 and still works full time... no safety nets. You work or you're out on the street.
     
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    uhhh, now I get it... you hate the Jews.



    If only these 'End Times' would hurry along so we could finally rid ourselves of all the religious screwballs.
     
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    In your mind maybe.People in many countries lived much better without having to deal with anxiety,work stress,life stress,politicosocial changes and continuous political instability.Folks 100 years ago were also happy to live the lives they lived in the fresh air they had,without having jackass multi-national corporation bosses putting them on tight schedules or foreign companies buying off their groceries,bakeries and all things nice.

    Bah,technology has advanced,morality,ethics and mentality have gone to far worse and the world like evadra said is f*cked up by crime,unemployment,staged economic crisis and corrupted politicians.
     
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    I don't hate Jews,I hate the bad side of Zionism and those rich buffoons in their golden thrones who control the economy of the world,governments and the foreign politics of many countries.
     
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    Nah, you come off as a garden variety jew hater who believes all the anti-zionist bullshit conspiracies you read over the internet.
    Shame on you.
     
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    Is it just me or did this thread get very weird very fast?

    Just to make this clear, Jews do not control the world economy, governments (other than that of Israel) and what exactly are the "many countries" whose foreign policy they control? Oh, and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion were exposed as a fraud in the 1920's. Your conspiracy theories are about a century out of date.

    And how does that constitute "success" exactly? As for socialism failing, call me when Sweden collapses. The problems in Greece are much more to do with inefficiency than with socialism.
     
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    Oh well then why do I have Jewish friends?Hmm....?What if the anti-zionist conspiracies are true and I didn't read them over the internet?What if they indeed control the world through economy and have influence or control in many big countries of the world?These are not illogical things.
     
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    It's very illogical thinking, to put it mildly.
     
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    If they were a fraud why then are they being enforced one by one,dear? For one Jews are behind U.S. foreign policy.Second...probably France as well in many occasions and...much of Western Europe.
     
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    11. THIS HATRED WILL BE STILL FURTHER MAGNIFIED BY THE EFFECTS of an ECONOMIC CRISES, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and with the aid of gold, which is all in our hands, A UNIVERSAL ECONOMIC CRISES WHEREBY WE SHALL THROW UPON THE STREETS WHOLE MOBS OF WORKERS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ALL THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE. These mobs will rush delightedly to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.

    12. "OURS" THEY WILL NOT TOUCH, BECAUSE THE MOMENT OF ATTACK WILL BE KNOWN TO US AND WE SHALL TAKE MEASURES TO PROTECT OUR OWN.