What if Elrond had his way?

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  1. Glorfindel

    Glorfindel New Member

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    In the book, Elrond is- to say the least- hesitant in letting Pippen travel with the fellowship- citing that they were too young and niave to make the journey to Mordor.

    Although it is not said aloud by Elrond, one of the others (Gandalf, Aragorn- i forget which) mentioned Gorfindel as a possible canidate to take Pippen's place.

    It would make sense to me that Elrond would send his 'captain of the gaurd' per say (based on his seating on the right hand of Elrond at the feast-- a position typically regarded as second-in-command) with the fellowship. His skills would have been far better suited to the journey.

    So, what do you all think would have changed if Glorfindel had taken Pippen's place?
     
  2. Asgath

    Asgath Heavy-metal dwarf

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    Well, things would have much easier probably... But things would likely be very very different, the Uruk Hai would not have been able to catch Merry and Pippin (Not being there and all) So they would have probably either, all gone to mordor, maybe destroyed the ring, but likely Rohan and Gondor would be destroyed anyway. Rohan would be gone, and the Gondor would likely fall too......
     
  3. mithrandir

    mithrandir Gentleman Scholar

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    I think Asgath hit on an important point. The Urak-Hai know only that they are looking for halflings. The fact that Merry and Pippen are there to be captured means they leave Frodo and Sam to continue their journey. Had Merry and Pippen NOT been there, it likely would have been much harder for Frodo to get away and continue the quest. Almost certainly, they would have been pursued away from Amon-Hen.
     
  4. Strider

    Strider Eccentric

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    Also, Pippen was the one that awoke the Balrog. If Gandalf had never fought that fight he never would have come back as the White Wizard and that was also a key point in favour of their side.
     
  5. Glandros

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    It would have completely changed everything had Glorfindel gone in place of Merry and Pippin.

    As said, Merry and Pippin would not have been there for the Uruk-Hai to take. Gandlaf would not have fallen in Moria and fought the Balrog, therefore he would be present when the Uruks attacked.
    Boromir would perhaps have not tried taking the Ring at that point with Gandalf around.
    Gandalf could have guided Frodo and Sam to Mordor, not needing Gollum's treachory. No Shelob.
    Gandalf could have sent Aragorn and the others onto Gondor with Boromir, but Rohan would have fallen.
    With Aragorn in Gondor, he would have been hard-pressed to get to the Paths of the Dead. Rohan would be unable to aid Gondor. Gondor would have fallen, or at least been badly struck.
    Gandalf perhaps could have ensured Sam and Frodo got to Mordor quicker and destroyed the Ring, sparing Gondor from utter defeat.
    Merry and Pippin not being present means that the Ents wouldn't have gone to war. Isengard would have still stood. Once Rohan fell, Saruman probably would have summoned his remaining force to strike Gondor.
    Marching from Helm's Deep, the Uruks would come to Gondor probably just after the Ring was destroyed. The Wraiths would be gone, but the Uruk-hai would probably unite Sauron's now leaderless orcs and struck Gondor again. Without the help of Rohan and the Dead Army, Gondor probably would have fallen.
    Faramir would be dead on the Field of Cormallen, Gandalf not being present to save him.
    The Eye of Sauron would have followed the Fellowship quicker with an elf of such high standing among them.
    Frodo and Sam would probably be harder pressed to enter Mordor in secret because Sauron would not be after Pippin.

    Yes, it would have changed the story quite a bit...
    I think that Tolien did it right. Had Glorfindel gone along, it would have been cool, but it would have killed the story.
     
  6. byzantine warrior

    byzantine warrior Autokratos Konstantinou

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    yes but i wonder how many orcs he would have destroyed lol
     
  7. ElvishTwin

    ElvishTwin Left-handed Scribe

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    I think it was better that Glorfindel stayed in Rivendell. As has been said by others, the quest would have been much harder without Merry and Pippin along, even though they were a bit outofplace, as it seems at first. Many other things would have gone differently, such as how everyone acted around each other. If there was another Elf in the Fellowship, Legolas and Gimli most likely wouldn't have become such close friends. Needless to say, without Merry and Pippin and the things that they did, mostly without meaning to, the quest would have probably failed. Frodo and Sam would have probably been captured by the Uruk-hai, Saruman would have obtained the One Ring, and become a Dark Lord himself, with none to stand against him.
     
  8. The Archangel

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    not to mention the fact that would would have no doubt missed their presence, the breath of worldiness they brought to the book, and the sense that even the little man (excuse the pun) can make a difference. Woulda killed the story something chronic.
     
  9. isengard111

    isengard111 The Master Chief

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    Plus for the movies, there would be a bit less comedy. That little bugger...
    I don't imagine Glorfindel would be a comedic character.