Discussion in 'Polls' started by Winterine, Oct 16, 2006.
Thieves have a life of stealth...i like stealth
i would like Fighter or mage...
so..why not both ?
Them? But they are... totally different? :S
i would be like a necromancer or a paladin.
Well, I dunno what's the link between Bladesinger and Swashbuckler apart from the acrobatics, but I do think that bladesingers are more cool in the combat aspect. True, the basics of acrobatic combat maybe the same, but a standard swashbuckler won't be able to implement the art of dancing into swordplay. That would require dedication to the sword and dance which the bladesinger has but not the swashbuckler. That is also why bladsingers are elves and no other races since they were dedicated to warfare and dance among other things although I've seen a case (not D&D though) where races outside the elves are eligible as well. Arguably the most mesmerizing part of a bladesinger gotta be the bladesong aspect. The whole idea was way so cool and I've got a certain idea where I want to take the bladesong issue concerning one of my stories I'm currently writing although it's on hiatus right now...
Well, I dunno what's the link between Bladesinger and Swashbuckler apart from the acrobatics, but I do think that bladesingers are more cool in the combat aspect. True, the basics of acrobatic combat maybe the same, but a standard swashbuckler won't be able to implement the art of dancing into swordplay. That would require dedication to the sword and dance which the bladesinger has but not the swashbuckler. That is also why bladsingers are elves and no other races since they were dedicated to warfare and dance among other things although I've seen a case (not D&D though) where races outside the elves are eligible as well. Arguably the most mesmerizing part of a bladesinger gotta be the bladesong aspect. The whole idea was way so cool and I've got a certain idea where I want to take the bladesong issue concerning one of my stories I'm currently writing although it's on hiatus right now... I guess that if I can witness a bladesinger fight, then my reaction will be this:
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Because you can't cast strong spells in the middle of melee. Because you can't cast spells whilst wearing armour. Because you need to spend a lot of years in dedication to either class, so it wouldn't benefit if you did each half assed lol
or as you put it Fighter-mage
Ahh, but the swashbuckler can be the personification of suave. The honorable pirate.
A friend armed his with a whip and rapier. He did more damage than our tanks and looked cool doing so.
People still voting Fight-mage, even though they suck :S
On the swashbuckler issue, I admit you've got a point there. The swashbuckling style of fighting is rather cool, but IMO, his charm lies not in the art of fighting but his personailty since a standard swashbuckler would have a colourful character. Honorable but a bit of a rascal in him... I think that symbolize a swashbuckler. For bladesinger, though, his charm definitely lies in combat above everything else because of the bladesong issue and the beautiful, yet deadly way that he wields the sword. Just think of the impossible in reality as in corporating the art of song and dance into swordplay and you'll know what I think. Both have their own personal charms, I'll have to say, so it's just everyone to his own opinion. And yeah, Met, I hope that your definition of fighter-mage don't include arcane archers and bladesingers, 'cuz well... they can fight like some overpowered existence and magic wise, they don't really suck. Ok, the latter's for arcane archer since I dunno about your definition of bladesinger and my own definition of that class was that it's a lot more on swordplay than anything. But then again, both are classes bossed by elves so, yeah, here's something for you to think about lol! XD
My hating applies to all classes that try and specialise in both martial and magical classes at the same time.
It's stupid, because you'd have to be like 290842342348 years old to be good in both at the same time lol
I think on the whole fighter-mage issue, the character can have a choice of excelling in either or balanced between both. But definitely not specializing in both or either. That applies to hybrid classes as well like the ranger or paladin. (no offense to you though...) I think it would be a freak world to see a ranger or paladin specializing in either magic (clerical or druidic) or combat, not to mention both. True they can stand on their own in combat, but magic.... dude, that's impossible. It's like hybrid or fighter-mage classes won't be able to fight as well as a pure warrior/fighter in the weapon disciplinary area. Remember the weapon specialization feat in a fighter and no other class else... but sometimes, things can defy the logic that you spoke up theorotically. (Not gameplay wise mind you) Like you said, it will take a freakin' long time for someone to specialize in both magic and combat, but if that someone is an elf (any kind can do depending on your own specific definitions), then you can be very sure he have a high chance of being able in both weaponmastery and magic given the livespan. It's just a matter of talent, interest and time and I do think that arcane archer can be a classic example. In fact, my own definition of magic can expand into the art of fusing magic into the user's weapon, body, lifeforce or anything that can buff the user in combat or even affect the tide of battle directly in a certain sense. Like my own interpretation of elves in a particular story of mine although I still haven't reach that part storyline wise. Basically, everyone has his own interpretation of the whole fighter-mage issue. It's only a matter of what they want to make out of it. Of course I'm not saying that you can't make you own views known and saying frankly, I'm rather neutral in this area although I'm a sucker for bladesingers. On;y issue is that I don't consider bladesingers to be fighter-mages lol.
I just don't see a point to being a fighter mage. This is because, you won't be particularly strong, considering you don't develop either skill too well since you have to split your devlopment up.
Furthermore, casting some spells is a tax on one's mind and body, so once you done your mage bit, you're too tired to fight it out :S
I'm going for paladin, just like the idea for being able to fight for a cause and healing/inspiring fellow soldiers/friends at the same time.
Wahey Roland. Hi-five to the Paladins.
Although that sort of behviour is probably unbecoming of a Paladin
so that's four paladins, roland, me and met...who's the fourth?
UNKNOWN....we have a secret Paladin fan that is too afraid to admit to wanting to be a Paladin :O
*lol* Nice arguement against fighter-mages, btw. I'm still not convinced though, hehe.
Thing is, the me kind of fighter-mage is a finesse fighter (think kensai, perhaps) who focuses on precision strikes and agility to dodge and parry instead of wearing big bulky armour and relying on them to take the hits. In this case, a relatively lower strength isn't a concern. Magic would possibly be used if fighting at range, or as necessary during melee. As long as you've trained yourself up to be disciplined enough (like, say, a paladin) and fight with your wits as well, I can't see your image of "cast one spell, can't fight the battle" happening. In other words, very much a fighter with some magic on hand. Like a dualled-over fighter from a mage, perhaps. Perhaps.
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