What changes in the movie bother you?

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  1. Anduril

    Anduril Flame of the West

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    Quite right Urambo. The documentary is "From Book to Script." And in "Warriors of Middle Earth" there is a clip where you see Liv's stunt double fighting.
     
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    As far as I know Saruman is still cut. There have been screenings and in those Saruman was gone. It shows him for a little bit with wormtongue as they are stuck inside orthanc.

    Too bad the Rangers won't be in ROTK, but they are very necessary. I mean, all they do is bring Aragorn a walking stick.

    And as to the part about Faramir, I agree with the change after seeing the EE. Yes, Gandlaf, Galadriel, and Aragorn resisted the Ring, but they were tempted by it. In the books Faramir just shrugged it off as if it were a brass ring from a bull's nose.

    And I also agree with the shelob change. In a timeline, the Shelob's cave happens around the same time Pelennor fields does, so in a linear movie like these that is when it has to happen.
     
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    Anduril Flame of the West

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    But they knew the full power of the ring. Faramir knew enough to stay away. Besides, I just finished reading that part of the book and he doesn't make as light of it as you think.
     
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    One interesting thing to point out about Faramir is that he (in the books) doesn't simply have a strong will to resist the Ring, he is actually not even tempted by it! But he doesn't just "shrug off" the Ring, he respects its power and what the hobbits are trying to accomplish. Definitely strange in regards to men "...who above all else desire power... -Galadriel TFOTR movie".
    I would have to agree with the character change.
     
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    Another thing is, in the book he had forever to think about it. In the movie they made that scene really rushed to make them go to Osgiliath. So maybe the Faramir we see in the book who is not tempted would have decided the same thing if he was forced to make a quick decision. You can see in the cave Faramir was thinking hard about the Ring but he was interrupted and pressured to think fast with the guy breathing down his back. Same thing when Sam told him how Boromir died...but the nazgul came and he was once again interrupted
     
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    Anduril Flame of the West

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    No. I still disagree. Gandalf was no more hesitant to take it then Faramir. And besides, in the movie, (this, even more in the extended edition) you get the sense that Faramir took the ring because he wanted his father to finally accept him. They still kept a difference between the brothers in the movie. Faramir was sending the ring to his father. Boromir would have taken the ring for himself. But in the books, you know Faramir is sad his father doesn't show his love for him, but he's a man who will not lower himself just because of that.
     
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    I'm inclined to agree with Anduril. I mean, strange as it may seem, Faramir knew the power of the Ring and desired not to have it. He was just different. Or maybe it was because he didn't know it's full power or what would become of him and his father if he took it. I mean, Gandalf knew exactly what would happen, but Faramir probably didn't. Look at how little Boromir knew about the Ring. Faramir probably knew less.
     
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    I meant they aren't very necessary.
     
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    Also, in the movie TTT in Osgiliath, I always thought it was kind of funny.

    Faramir: We'll take the ring to Gondor.
    Nazgul: *scream*
    Sam: Saves Frodo and gives a touching soliloquy.
    Faramir: Oooooooooooooooh. Maybe taking the ring isn't such a good idea after all...
     
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    I still believe IMO that the changes he made strengthened Faramir's character. Nobody is immune completely to the ring and making Faramir be tempted at first and then get over it shows he is better than every other human.
     
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    I suppose what really bothers me (for now, based on I haven't seen TROTK movie yet) is that Gandalf's big strategy is to war against Sauron to buy Frodo some time, while in TTT movie Frodo holds up the ring in front of a Nazgúl. And Sauron doesn't receive news of this? The Nazgúl report everything to their master!
     
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    Hmmm... I never thought of that. But actually Frodo did start running toward Minas Morgul in the books.

    And Strider, do you mean that the movie Faramir himself was strengthened or that the movie showed Faramir as a stronger character?
     
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    That bugs me too. Why did he hold it up?!?!
     
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    Because PJ has a misconception of some of JRRTs work of course
     
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    I agree to an extent. I was kind of peeved at his portrayal at first, but I guess they had to show he was somewhat consumed with the need of it to, being tempted is a human trait. but he outshown his brother and got over it LOL
     
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    How else would he put the ring on?
     
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    Frodo was on the Gondorian side of Osgiliath which makes Sauron think that Gondor has the ring even more! Remember it hasn't even entered his mind that they will try and destroy it!
     
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    Good point, very good point. I hadn't thought of that.
     
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    Yes, excellent point--good thinking! It also enforces the idea that Sauron thinks the ring is in the hands of a hobbit (Merry or Pippin, perhaps?).
     
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    Anduril Flame of the West

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    Hmmm... I had never thought of that. But then again, if the nazgul saw frodo then all the others would have been summoned too.