Way to die - execution style?

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  1. clouded_perception

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    Haha, I wasn't suggesting doing it with an axe. That just leaves the same room for error as shooting or hanging. I was thinking something like a guillotine.
     
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    behaeading can also go wrong, especially since its not commonplace getting it right on the first swing is the only way to ensure its done cleanly, and even then we dont know if its painless.

    but it can just as easily go wrong with the slightest movement from either party.

    shooting at close range would be more effective and less likely to fail.



    And remember about the mutilation, if youve got a loving family there despite the crime, the last thing they want is getting their loved one back in pieces.

    the only reason i see for beheading is as a deterrent and thats not applicable since very few people ever think theyll get caught or plans murder ahead.






    Lets just figure for a minute is anyone against the nitrogen method? the most painless suggestion anyone has given, can be made quicker and simpler with some kind of mask rather than a whole gas chamber.
     
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    I have a phobia of suffocation, so my views on the nitrogen method are not reliable.
     
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    well, oxigen deprivation resullting from beheading is essentially the same thing, worse in my mind, how can you breathe if you dont have lungs anymore?

    nitrogen apparantly puts you into euphoria before you feel any pain...
     
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    If this were ever put into use chambers would be avoided (too much like WWII) so masks would probably be used
     
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    Phobias don't have t be rational. :)
     
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    Yeah, I know first hand.....
     
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    I'm not. I just believe that dead is dead, so the cheapest fastest way is best. Beheading with a mechanical guilottine would be damn near foolproof. Big heavy blade, gas powered, whumpa, off goes the head. No chance of missing an axe swing, no danger to the operator, and if the criminal is properly restrained, no chance for them to move and get a dodgy chop. But it is messy and gorey, and I don't think it's the best method for the year 2008.

    However, that is very messy. So I favour the gas mask ont eh face of a restrained patient. Like now with lethal injection, strap them to a bed but instead of needles, you put a mask on their face. Gas goes on, lights go out. Bye bye bad guy. And if the victim's family wants them to suffer, well, too bad, they are dead and that's as final as it gets. If you feel the need to torture your child's kilelr (random example) to get closure, then you need therapy yourself.
     
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    I think it was explicitly mentioned that that is a different argument for the other thread, not this one.


    i think discussing the revenge/punishment difference and the differenace that has on the punishment itself is a relevant topic though.
     
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    I know that, I was merely highlighting, concerning the point, that I personally do not think there is a 'good' way to kill someone. I'm not wanting to start a debate, it is merely my opinion related to this topic, nothing more than that.
     
  11. clouded_perception

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    I think Padme was just explaining why she has no opinion -- she considers the question void.
     
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    of course, but it was made explicitly clear this debate in in no way about the death penalty as a legitimate punishment, but about the means to go about it even in a hypothetical sense, which raises different issues.
     
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    Crusader is correct, this is not the place.

    I've moved a handful of posts that had nothing to do with this thread's topic to the relevant debating thread.

    if you wish to discuss your prefered method of executing prisoners, discuss it here.

    If you wish to debate all other aspects of the death penalty, crime, punishment, hypocrisy, rehabilitation, group hugs etc, do it here:
    http://www.thefantasyforum.com/showthread.php?t=2359
     
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    I do think the division of punishment and revenge, whch falls under hypocracy (depending on your views) Is relevant to this discussion.
     
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    Exactly right
     
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    Sorry but I disagree. Those arguments are relevant to the aforementioned thread, Capital Punishment and The Death Penalty.

    While Turambar does offer the example of what execution method you'd choose if someone you know was gruesomely killed, he is also very clear about NOT wanting this to be a debate on the death penalty itself. Thus, those sort of posts will continue to be moved to the other thread.
     
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    who is that directed at, padme or me?
     
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    Hrm... revenge does come into play, I suppose... But I do think that people lack imagination here.

    Although not very likely, there is actually a chance that you will end up on death row. Who knows, being at the wrong place, at the wrong time? It happens. So, let's say you'll be able to choose your own execution method - what would you choose? Some options have come along, so there's plenty to choose from.

    A second scenario I wanted to give a try was when someone very close to you, or like, your complete family, got murdered in a completely gruesome and unneccesary way. What sort of death would you want for him(/her), assuming that he(/she) would be sentenced to death in the first place. Revenge might come into play here - but that's all up to whoever's choosing.

    A last question would, of course, be, what the general and accepted way of execution should be (on which people seem to have concentrated). In the qouted article, by the way, the pro-death penalty guy actually states that it's inhumane to the murder victims victims to give the murderer a soft death - does that, in any way, hold merit?
     
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    I think we all know the coolest death penalty ever would have to be wiping out higher brain functions, probably via neurotoxin.

    Yes... YES... more zombies for my ever-growing army!
     
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    You know, i think monty python had it right, the criminal should choose the method of their own demise.
     
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