Totalitarian America?

Discussion in 'Every Day Debating' started by Blackness, Jun 17, 2014.

  1. Blackness

    Blackness Well-Known Member

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    Things happening in America lately seem to be getting out of hand, and not that many people seem to care much about it, especially not the Supreme court. Is a country based on the ideals of liberalism and democracy losing its way? How can things which are self-evidently injust be perpetuated in a checks and balances system? What power and level of control do you think "the people" actually have over the government, if any?

    To name a few
    http://www.cchrint.org/2011/08/12/d...-to-medicate-daughter-with-psychiatric-drugs/

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...0-days-jail-collecting-rainwater-his-property

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/28/south-carolina-capital-city-forces-its-homeless-out/

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014...ing-cakes-undergo-sensitivity-training-after/ -> we discussed this in another thread, but felt it necessary to repeat it

    https://nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/15506-sean-keefe-jailed-fo

    http://townhall.com/columnists/kyle...s-to-wear-white-privilege-wristbands-n1531315
     
  2. Overread

    Overread Wolfing it up! Staff Member

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    A few thoughts:

    1) America wasn't founded on the ideal of each man being totally free to do as they wish - the freedom they speak of is more the freedom for Americans to rule America on their own - that is without submission to the Monarchy and Parliament of Britain and other European powers.
    Remember far back at its founding America was a collection of colonies founded by various European powers and thus had to pay tax and obey laws set by people living half a world away (at a time when just making the travel from one side of the Atlantic was dangerous and the differences that grew between the cultures was greater).

    2) FOX news is a bit sensationalist - and stories like this happen in all countries (we get them in the UK). Sometimes its a case that the newspaper wants to make a story; so they pick a side and select information to present and omit that skews the story toward the sensationalist title and ideal that they want. Some even just plain make stuff up or use "theories" or "guesswork" to add stuff in that the writer wants.



    Each of these articles is a debate in its own right; you've homeless policy - medical policy - human rights etc... Each issue is different so its hard to debate them all as a collective.

    I would say though that you will never have a country that runs without some form of official ruling and control - indeed look at any gathering or group of animals and there are rules and laws to be followed within the group. Animals might have simpler structure at times, but the basic concept is still the same. A group needs both authority and guidelines/rules to follow. For within that is the structure that allows them to live with each other.

    With humans if you've no rules you're reliant upon each persons individual approach and that can be greatly flawed. Consider racism.


    Many people can be very racist without the pre-meditated desire to cause harm. They are like that through ignorance and inexperience of dealing with people from other cultures; what we don't know we oft fear.
    So society sets down rules and enforces those rules so that this personal level of inexperience and bias doesn't harm the collective whole.
     
  3. Sparrow

    Sparrow Well-Known Member

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    America isn't going to hell in a handbasket.
    We don't have the government we want, we have the government we deserve.