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  1. LadyoftheGoldenWood

    LadyoftheGoldenWood Well-Known Member

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    Ok I look stuff up on The Encyclopedia of Arda all the time and so far it has all ways been right. Some time back I had been looking up names for Varda and it says that Gilthoniel is a name for her and it comes from A Sindarin title of Varda the Lady of the Stars, known as Elbereth to the Sindar.

    but when I tryed to find that name in The Silmarillion index it did not have that name anywhere. Can anyone on here tell me if Gilthoniel is one of her names and if it is why is not in The Silmarillion?

    Thanks a lot LadyGW.
     
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    YEs, it is indeed a name of Elbereth Starqueen. There's a poem entitled "Gilthoniel! Ah, Elbereth", or something of the sort, in the Trilogy.

    GIlthoniel is the Quenya translation of Elbereth. I don't have my copy of the Sil handy, but it might not mention this name simply because it doesn't give all the names given to Varda by the Elves. Varda is the name used in the Sil due to it being her original name, in a sense. (if that made any sense at all)
     
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    Yes it did, thanks a lot Senekha!!
     
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    Glad to help! :)
     
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    Oh I love that song about Gilthoniel 'Ah Elbereth Gilthoniel thy star above the westerns seas...' or something ^^
     
  6. LadyoftheGoldenWood

    LadyoftheGoldenWood Well-Known Member

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    how can I fine the song?
     
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    Hmmm, I don't know really. I found it some year ago but it's on another computer. I'll check on the Tolkien forum im in.
     
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    This is one version of it, I think. I remembered it to be longer but maybe it is not.


    The Fellowship of the Ring, "Three is Company". As heard by Frodo, when the hobbits met Gildor Inglorion and the exiled Elves on the road to Woodhall after their first encounter with the Black Riders.

    Snow-white! Snow-white! O Lady clear!
    O Queen beyond the Western Seas!
    O light to us that wander here
    Amid the world of woven trees!

    Gilthoniel! O Elbereth!
    Clear are thy eyes and bright thy breath,
    Snow-white! Snow-white! We sing to thee
    In a far land beyond the Sea.

    O stars that in the Sunless Year
    With shining hand by her were sown,
    In windy fields now bright and clear
    We see your silver blossom blown!

    O Elbereth! Gilthoniel!
    We still remember, we who dwell
    In this far land beneath the trees,
    Thy starlight on the Western Seas.


    In sindarin:
    Fanuilos! A bereth lim!
    A ris thar ennui aearon!
    A calad vin i reviam
    Mi ennorath i ngelaidh norn!

    A Elbereth! Gilthoniel!
    I chin a thûl lín míriel!
    Fanuilos! Le linnathon
    Ne phalan-ardh thar aearon.

    A gîl ned ennin ben-anor
    Rend hain na bor dîn thiliol,
    Mi nedhyr ‘waerin, ril a lim,
    Min cên i loth lín híliol!

    A Elbereth! Gilthoniel!
    Sí renim, min i derthiel
    Ne phalan-ennor galadhon,
    Gil-galad lín or aearon.
     
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    Here's another one about Elbereth:

    A Elbereth Gilthoniel

    The Fellowship of the Ring, "Many Meetings". Sung by elves in the hall of fire as Frodo and Bilbo leave to have a private chat.

    A Elbereth Gilthoniel,
    silivren penna míriel
    o menel aglar elenath!
    Na-chared palan-díriel
    o galadhremmin ennorath,
    Fanuilos, le linnathon
    nef aear, sí nef aearon!

    O Elbereth Star-kindler
    (white) glittering slants down sparkling like jewels
    from [the] firmament [the] glory [of] the star-host!
    To-remote distance far-having gazed
    from [the] tree-tangled middle-lands,
    Fanuilos, to thee I will chant
    on this side of ocean, here on this side of the Great Ocean!

     
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    no prob! ^^