Tolkien and the modern world

Discussion in 'J.R.R. Tolkien / Lord of the Rings' started by Gavaha, Sep 15, 2003.

  1. Gavaha

    Gavaha Art House Member

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    If you have ever read or heard anything on Tolkien, you'll know that he doesn't like the internal combustion engine, idustry ect., and I think that was shown in the book too, with the "industries" of Saruman and how it will corrupt everything, you can find some of Tolkien in his books, just like other authors in their books. When I really think about it, I agree with his thoughts on how bad the modern world is turning out with Industry and cars, anyone else feel the same?
     
  2. Turin

    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    I think it has it's ups and downs. But how can you say that modernization is bad when you are sitting in front of a computer reading this?
     
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    An excellent point, Turin.

    How can things like cars and industry (which, by the way is getting cleaner and more efficient than ever) be bad things? If people throughout history had had this attitude, we would probably still be back in the ancient days, and who wants that? Look at all the advancement in medicine. Isn't that a good thing? People are living longer and better lives than ever before.
     
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    Everything has its good and bads, technology is no different
     
  5. Radagast

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    I suppose the actual product produced is not as bad as the means of making it.
     
  6. Gavaha

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    I didn't mean all tech, and thats tolkien anyway, I just said that I agreed with some of it, that Industry and cars produce some bad stuff for the enviroment
     
  7. Winterine

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    They once said that cars would make the environment cleaner. Heh.

    I think industry and technology is good to a point...then it gets bad. As for who would want to live in a more backwards setting? I certainly would! I would love a simpler life, where you can really see the fruits of ones labours. I don't care too much about the advances in medicine etc... it's evolution. If we couldn't handle some disease and didn't evolve around it...we probably didn't deserve to live. The way we live today is so out of balance with nature :( And I don't like that.
     
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    I rather drive a horse than a car :)
     
  9. Turin

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    There are plenty of places in this world that technology has failed to consume. You could always try it out for a while and see what you think.
     
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    Such as where, Turin? I'm broke, so I shouldn't even be asking :(

    Gavaha - Me too :D Horses are so much better! You pretty much don't even need to steer! ;)
     
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    well, that is if you are going in those lines :)

    I have ridden horseback lots o times, its funner than cars
     
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    Head to Africa. MUCH simpler lifestyle there. Pick any poor thrid-world country.

    I agree about somethings in this discussion. For example I think it would be cool to live in the 1800s and be a pioneer and everything. Riding a horse everywhere would be fun. But, I'm not, and since I'm not going to go out and do that I'm not going to complain about cars and industry. Don't complain about it if you;re not going to anything about it.

    Also, if "we couldn't handle some disease and couldn't evolve around it, then we probably didn't deserve to live"?!! What on earth do you mean by that?
     
  13. Turin

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    Ya what she said, most 3rd world countries are not as up to date as the 1st world countries. You could also move to a 1st world country that is not very populated. Like New Zealand and live however you want.

    Heck there are places in the US for that matter. Wyoming has something like 3.5 people per square mile on the average. When you consider the larger towns that leaves lots of room for someone to live however they want to.

    Another option would be to convert to Amish.
     
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    Lol. But living an older lifestyle means harder work. Getting up at the break of dawn and working all day hard labour does not that thrilling;).
     
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    perhaps not, but if you would renounce technology then this would be the most likely option.
     
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    Very true indeed.
     
  17. Turin

    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    sometimes I feel like you follow me Rad.


    J/K
     
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    Great minds think alike;)
     
  19. Fingon

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    If you ask me, I would go back to the old time. No factories, no air polution. Just us and the nature. I would love to live in the forest. Just my sword, bow and a white horse.
    ~Fingon
     
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    i too would love the good old days no cars, tv, computer, air pollution and so on. just me and my band of archers, on horses hunting and being all over the place