I'm pretty much surprised that given the intense coverage, there's yet to be a topic on this issue. Firstly, the URL: http://www.collateralmurder.com/ I know there will be tons of right end nutjobs justifying this crap, but what I'm looking for here isn't some random biased statements. Rather objective comments on this issue. That plus I believe WikiLeaks has been an independant media if my memory is correct. One interesting thing I'm getting from comments by people who have been through the war is that war can and will unhinge a person totally. Apparently, it can come via subtle or not too subtle results. So one of my questions is that can this issue be an excuse for such and act? Also, here's some interesting comments from an American poster in a forum: i'm pretty excited at the thought of military apologists flooding in and trying to justify this, so i'll go ahead and preempt a few excuses that will probably happen in this thread -- 'but, but, the stress of war...' there is no indication these men are 'stressed'. they're sitting comfortably in machine gun turrets on helicopters yards away from the incident and are heckling and laughing as they pump machine gun rounds into innocent people. there's no stress involved. 'but they weren't innocent, they had weapons!' 1.) the claim of their holding 'weapons' is specious at best, it's pretty difficult to tell (and as such should not have been a pretense upon which the decision was made to open fire on people strolling through a neighborhood) 2.) it seems hard to believe to me these people were insurgents when they were dressed in bright colors strolling through a wide-open courtyard area in a neighborhood while a helicopter circles the area. doesn't it make sense that real insurgents wouldn't yknow, be wearing clothes that make them an easy target and wouldn't be just sort of sauntering through a neighborhood with weapons? 3.) everyone in this part of the world has weapons. literally everyone, for the very reason that things like this happens every day. I watched a part of a documentary once on yemen and everyone single person in the entire film had not just one weapon, but entire sheds full of AK-47s and other firearms; there was a segment in which they interviewed an old woman sitting in her house with her small granddaughter with rifles casually leaning against the wall in the background. it's a part of life in this area of the world. 4.) the van was full of innocent people (including children who were wounded) trying to save what they thought was just a wounded person and not an 'INSURGENT' who had just been mowed down by a helicopter machine gun. all of the people in the van except the children were killed, btw. 'this is just how war is.' No it's not, and even if it was it still wouldn't be acceptable to kill civilians from the air under a flimsy pretext of 'weapons'. these men were literally begging from their superiors to open fire and kill these people (they were, watch the video). it's not normal or acceptable to go out of your way to kill people on a city street in a neighborhood for little to no reason at all. i'm pretty sure it's also common sense to never open fire on an unmarked civilian vehicle when you can't see what's inside (considering this is a normal city street where people live and work, and there's a good possibility that - as happened here - there would be children in the vehicle.) Sorry that I can't post the URL. The section which this comment was made can only be accessible via member log in. So what do you guys think?