The Ultimecia/Rinoa Theory

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  1. AcrobaticHippo

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    Hello everyone :D

    Some time ago, I came across a fanfic which dealt with whether Ultimecia is really Rinoa in the future. I never gave it much thought before, but after reading the fic I thought the theory does hold water.

    Remember that Edea (or someone else) said something about the a sorceress passing on her powers to another sorceress when she dies? Well, i'm thinking that if Rinoa is really Ultimecia, when Ulti dies her powers are passed on to Edea, who gives ehr powers to Rinoa, who gets some more from Adel and then becomes Ultimecia, so the circle is kind of complete :)

    I've always thought about what would happened if Squall had died earlier...possibly, Rinoa became evil due to immense grief, or maybe Squall couldn't keep her in line once he was gone, or both :D I'v also thought that it was weird that they kept flashing Ulti's face over Rin's in the ending sequence...

    Post your thoughts on this eh? Also, if you wish to debunk the theory, tell us why! I'd like to hear your reason. :) :D
     
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    i never really thought of it that way. thanx for the cool theory!
     
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    err.....Ultamecia tried to kill Rinoa.

    If she did, then Ultamecia herself could not exist.

    Although this was all done in time compression. If Rinoa did not then exist in real time, and was Ultamecia, then Ultamecia could not exist.

    Also, the image flashy things of Rinoa and Ulti by Squall, is because of the fact that what they are going through are linked to Ultamecia. So squall is like, Rinoa...cos of ultamecia...rinoa is...cos of ulti again, etc (i.e. pictures for words in the scene).

    Anyway, that is why I don't think it can be the same person -.-

    i think my logic is flawed somewhere in the time compression thing, but playing the game about 18 times (although it was a while since my alst time), I am sure I am correct :p
     
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    No I don't think that's the case. Dear old Ulti was just trying to use Rinoa for her bidding by possessing her...and since Rin wasn't a sorceress at that time her body couldn't take it and so she fell to Ulti's powers...it makes sense if you're trying to gain power from the past world by manipulating your past self. I guess Ulti decided to leave Rinoa dying in space because she as Rinoa's past self knew that Squall would come along to save her...sounds crappy in some parts I know but it's been 3 years since I last played the game.
     
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    Even if she did know that Squall would save her, why bother doing that?

    How did she benefit from that?

    No, it was evident that Ultamecia tried to truly kill Rinoa, because in the last battle she essentially tried to kill them all.

    Also in the game, there are many things that suggest that they are two very different people. The way they talk about her, and all.

    Also why allow Seifer to strap her to Adel, if Adel would kill Rinoa?
     
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    Oh good points Met, I do have rebuttals for some of your points but they're pretty foggy at the moment, so I'll get back to you later.
     
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    By any chance this Fanfiction you were reading.

    Is it called Bathwater?
     
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    Hmmm interesting...you and I will continue this debate on MSN.
     
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    you realise you will lose right?
     
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    No I won't, did you even read the link I provided? :rolleyes:
     
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    yea I did....and the first post was enough.

    Some people tired to refute it, but it was all in vain -.-

    They only accept the theory to spice up the storyline -.-

    They are just too different, physically and mentally. And using Scan in the game was enough eivdence to show this, since Ultamecia wanted Rinoa's power. If they were the same, there would be no point, because you cannot steal your own poer from yourself <_<
     
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    Hold on, like I said it makes sense if you manipulate your past self to gain control of the past world! That's why Ultimecia wanted to achieve Time Compression, so that she could gain control of all the worlds!
     
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    ulti compressed time...not matter

    therefore even though the manipulates what she can do to a certain degree, that power which would exist in her old self cannot be added onto the power she currently holds, because it is the same power -.-

    you cannot replace the same power with itself, and expect it to grow, because it is the same thing
     
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    Well, I personally do see this theory as part of the plot, to me it makes perfect sense, although I could be wrong, and Square did not intend this to be....

    Still, it seems like a cool idea. :cool:
     
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    Right now...I would say something very evil...but that would be flaming...and that's against the rules! :O

    Personally...the idea is kinda crap...and Rinoa should die, and Squall find someone better =]

    But yea...still don't think it works