The Prophecy of the Witch King

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  1. Liadan

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    A quick question about the prophecy concerning the Witch King (to be struck down by no man): could it have also referred to Merry, since he was a hobbit and thus a man? Eowyn is female, but she is also of the race of men.
     
  2. Lady_of_Shalott

    Lady_of_Shalott Weaving the Magic Web

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    Yes, she is "of the race of men", which made the prophecy sound like no human could kill the Witch-king. The Witch-king himself probably even took it to mean that. But it of course was a play on words. Literally no man could kill him. Merry didn't kill him, just wounded him. Eowyn, a woman, did kill him.
     
  3. isengard111

    isengard111 The Master Chief

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    I just always assumed that they both killed the WK, making the prophecy literal and metaphorical.
     
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    I'm a little confused too. "No man can kill me" means no human, no male or what? if it means no human then an orc, an elf or a dwarf could kill him. Or Gandalf, he wasn't human either.
     
  5. Turgon883

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    It is actually literal i believe...That why eowyn (blanking on name's spelling)...was able to finish him off...(with the help of the hobbit...) ...BTW I love that line in the movie..."I am no man..." great scene...lol
     
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    I think it has something to do with men doing the fighting, while the women stay at home. in fact, is eowyn not the only woman to take fight in all tolkiens books? is it not just as unlikely as Bilbo finding the ring.
     
  7. Liadan

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    You're wrong there, Haleth, daughter of Haldad, was a warrior. She's from the Silmarillion.
     
  8. Elan Morin Tedronai

    Elan Morin Tedronai The Forsaken

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    I think that the prophecy referred to both. It was Eowyn who struck the death blow, to be sure, but without Merry stabbing the Witchking's knee, his stroke would not have missed and Eowyn would have died before she had a chance to kill him.
     
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    Not to be a smart a-- or anything.
    ;)
     
  10. Miarènne

    Miarènne Lady Evenstar,half-elven

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    I think the prophecy was a play on the words. Merry, being a man/male was unable to kill him; he merely wounded him, simultaneously hurting himself. Eowyn, as a woman was able to kill him. But would never had succeded without Merry stabing him first.
     
  11. Obi-Wan Kenobi

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    Actully Merry killed the witchking.. he was the one who stab him in the leg with a morgal blade or what not.. all Eowyn did was stab him in the face
     
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    And Merry isn't a man, right? He is a hobbit.
     
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    yeah hes no man.. hes a hobbit
     
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    Technically Merry was not a man, but a hobbit.
     
  15. Aife..

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    Technically the prophecy could go both ways. You just have to decide on how you interpret it.
     
  16. Dwimmerlaik

    Dwimmerlaik Captain of Despair

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    well eowyn was a woman who stabed the WK in the crown, and merry a male, not man, stabed him in the leg with a blade of the westerness or morgal blade, so all in all he died by the hands of both of them
     
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    Well I think that was what Tolkien was trying to get across to us. Or perhaps, NOT get across to us.
    It is one of those things that cannot be completely understood, lest we were to raise Tolkien from his grave. It shows the true genius of Tolkien, throwing riddles at us. Many a fantasy author would not even think to write as so.
     
  18. Gil-Galad_360

    Gil-Galad_360 Aran Noldorin

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    Let's remember what happened in the book, in ROTK (book) Tolkien explains that Merry was carrying a barrows sword (a Numenorean sword) tah was the only weapon capable of hurting a Nazgûl, Éowyn was able to defeat the Witchking because she was a woman, am I right?