Discussion in 'Clubs' started by Liadan, Mar 19, 2006.
Why don't I believe you?
Because you have a nasty little suspicious mind.
Nah. It's because you are a filthy little hobbit
Gnome, thank you.
From the SSM collection:
"At 1pm was Martin's final appearance, an "interview," in which he elaborated on his speech and answered more questions. It went a bit over time, because they didn't need the room yet and he agreed to keep answering as long as we kept asking. I was getting so sick of questions about like, gaming and RPGs and other such boring stuff, so I finally forced myself to raise my hand and ask a question (you have no idea how hard this was), which was something like "Jaime Lannister is one of the most complex characters I've read, and the growth he goes through is so interesting. Can you talk more about that or what inspired that?" (Yeah, I know, as far as I'm concerned it's "the Jaime Lannister series.")
So he said that he likes to paint characters in shades of grey (recurring theme of the weekend, yay! so refreshing from these damn didactic TV show runners... anyway....). And that even what seem like the most horrific people have other sides, aren't pure caricatures of evil, that even Hitler had his nice moments. And he wanted to explore what might cause that kind of villainy, because no one just wakes up and says "I want to be evil today," and that Jaime didn't start out evil--that he actually was a very idealistic young man who was disillusioned by life, and that there was always much more to his killing of Arys than just "evil."
Since he was going on so much about Jaime as "exploration of evil" (and I certainly don't think Jaime is evil anymore!) I kind of tried to ask "Do you think he's changed?" to get him to talk about Jaime's redemption arc, so he said something like he wanted to explore the concept of forgiveness and whether it's ever possible to be forgiven for doing such horrible things, and that his goal was to ask the question, not give an answer.
Um, so that was neat. (Well, except for the fact that Hitler came to his mind when talking about Jaime!)"
Seems to sum up about half of my arguments.
This is evidently Plish's opinion.
"well apparently GRRM really doesnt know who he is...pronouncing names like Katelin like Catlin...supporting Jaime like hobbits and thier admirers"
While at the same time...Summing up some of ours.
Mmhmm. Is there any char in ASoIaF you like who isn't perfect?
Are there any perfect charectors?
Ned's the closest. I'd mention Rhaegar but I think you guys would jump over me... so I won't.
Well...Yes....I was thinking about excluding Ned from the question but I wasn't sure if he had any faults...So...Yeah...Could Davos be considered as "perfect"?...Or is there something I'm forgetting?...Which there probably is lol
Davos has one very large fault: he's BORING BORING BORING. I couldn't bring myself to finish the summary of the ADWD chapter posted on the ASoIaF forum.
Exactly....He's boring because he's not faulty....And Asha is bad btw....I don't like her
No.... his PoV just isn't interesting. But Ned's not all that faulty either (compared to other chars) and almost everyone loves him. Same with Jon Snow.
I like Asha. I like anyone who beats up Theon.
Umm...Right...Didn't you just say that...And name some faults of Davos so I know what your talking about...And...Thats it...
Lol. Uh.... Davos... faults.... I'll come up with something..... oh, right! HE SUPPORTS STANNIS!
Good enough for me.
while i like Davos because he's an honest "regular" man I do dislike him for his support of Stannis the turd burglar. I'd like to see Davos accomplish something that makes Stannis stop being such a fart nugget
Impossible. Please. It's Stannis.
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