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Discussion in 'Clubs' started by Meteorain, Apr 6, 2006.

  1. Nynaeve

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    Very true. I had crazy, thought of you and had to edit to fix that, lol. :p
     
  2. K'shar

    K'shar Darth Pumpkin

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    Yeah so most of us aren't all there and have some part of our brain, different portion for all of us, thats far far away in a land like ASOIAF or with beer and boobies. heh heh
     
  3. Liadan

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    Ditto minus the beer and boobies.

    @ Nynaeve: I'm honored. ;)
     
  4. K'shar

    K'shar Darth Pumpkin

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    but beer and boobies!!! beer and boobies. woot
     
  5. harrol

    harrol Suppressor of intelligenc

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    I hate Viserys and all other Targs too. Look at their history before coming to Westerous and at what they did inside of Westerous they are a cancer to society and they must be cut out.
     
  6. Blackness

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    I like all Targaryens... except Baelor the Blessed, and the guy who massacred his lovers lover :p

    I kinda even liked Viserys... it was sad when he died :(
     
  7. Plish

    Plish Soul Sailing Psychonaut

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    I thought it was pretty clever...
     
  8. Meteorain

    Meteorain Magical & Mystical

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    You like people who marry their own sisters continuously?

    Not to mention Viserys has complete no regard for his sister as a human...
     
  9. Blackness

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    All Targaryens married their sisters, so i see no problem there, and personally i don't mind brother-sister incest as much as other things...

    Viserys was a mad man who lost all he knew as a boy, it's natural that he wanted his kingdom above all else...
    I didn't like the way he treated his own blood, and that the only reason i don't like him...
    But, truth be told, i pity him more than i hate him...

    I hate people like Joffrey and Cersei, but i would never put Viserys among them...
     
  10. Meteorain

    Meteorain Magical & Mystical

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    Lol just because other people murder orphans, doesn't make it ok if you do it. Same applies with the sister marriage.

    Viserys only thought he lost all...he only put materialistic value in things, what a douche :S
     
  11. Liadan

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    Quite - Met raises several excellent points. Although with the incest thing - I don't agree with it, but I can ignore it and accept their reasons for it.
     
  12. Meteorain

    Meteorain Magical & Mystical

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    Their reasons are so they keep their blood pure....lol wtf crap is that.

    Also...how come they are not deformed!?!?!?

    Does it also mean that viserys looks like his grandfather since there is like no genetic variation :p
     
  13. Blackness

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    They ARE deformed, just not physicly... half of them are mentally completely disordered..

    Btw Met.. if you had just the basic genetic knowledge you would know that there always is genetic variation... 2 reasons actually..

    1. Is because of somenthing known as...hmmm...well i don't know how to say it in english, but the point is that both will put in 50% of their genetic code, and you can never know what piece of that genetic code will be used in creating a new little Targaryen...

    2. is because there is an automated DNA sequence which changes the offspring's DNA by at least a little, which means that even if two geneticly same humans (impossible, but IF :D)
    had a little Targaryen together, it would still be different from them :p

    And Met, imagine...
    When you were eight and a prince of an entire kingdom...
    You watch all of your family, father, mother, cousins and all of you close relatives die, and you lose your kingdom, easy way of life, and your life itself.... how would you feel?

    Viserys deserved to die, i agree, but he was just a tortured insane soul... have some simpathy man...
    He was just insane... nothing he could do about it...
    Joffrey, Cersei, The Mountain.... they were all EVIL... they didn't lose their families to rape and sword... they were just evil... Viserys wasn't.
     
  14. Meteorain

    Meteorain Magical & Mystical

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    Yes ofc there is always a minor amount of genetic variation but not really all that variation, but there is a much greater chance of being homozygous, and hence the all the problems as you've seen. So in a manner its the Targaryen's fault that their family members are ****ed up.

    I was just saying that the genetic variation would not be all that great, and hence since they are most likely to share the same alleles possible that Viserys does look a hell of a lot like his grandfather :O

    There are many other people who have seen their entire family killed, and stripped off their belongings in real life, and they turned out pretty ok (mostly the Jews during the holocaust). They didn't turn out like him :S

    I feel no sympathy for a person who acts like him. Insane or not he won't get sympathy. Also, think about it. After losing all that much, you would have thought someone as close as his sister would be cared with much love, but no instead he tortured her and was willing to let over 1000 men have sex with her one after the other just to get some men to fight for him. I think he's just delusional about what he thought he owned. Kingdoms are won and lost, no-one has right to land as he thought he did. I'm sure at one point the Targaryens robbed the land from someone else. No, I wouldn't really say he was insane, just mentally scarred and delusional, which he let get the better of him.

    What I had a problem with was you saying you "liked" him. Fine I can accept you sympathising, but liking? :S
     
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  15. bloodfiredeath

    bloodfiredeath Die by the Sword

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    How can anyone like Aerys 2 (the mad king) particulary if they like the Starks, remember that he roasted Rickard Stark (Ned's old man) alive in his armour whilst ned's brother watched. He definitely tarnished House Targaryen, and his paranoia led to their downfall.
    However Met is right about Visery's, he was an unlikable character. But you could understand and maybe sympathise with his predicament. He needed to learn though that ruling a nation was not a god given right for him, and he was similar to Joffrey in a way with his angsty boyish views which were totally out of touch with reality.So basically he needed to be taught a lesson in humility, which Drogo supplied, though he didn't survive it.
     
  16. Blackness

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    Ok ok... i didn't LIKE him, but i didn't hate him either... (viserys)
     
  17. Meteorain

    Meteorain Magical & Mystical

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    Give me one hour, I can make you hate him (if this was a face-2-face convo) :p
     
  18. Liadan

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    By our times and standards, yes, it is crap. By their times and standards, it made perfect sense.
     
  19. Meteorain

    Meteorain Magical & Mystical

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    Well, not really. Other families across the globe didn't do that. They kept bloodlines pure by mingling with other "high class" people, not inbreeding.

    Maybe these guys were just turned on by their sisters :S
     
  20. Blackness

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    Hehe maybe...