The benefits of the Roman Empire in the modern world

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  1. Foinikas

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    Or simply the contribution of the Roman Empire in the world generally.

    What do you say,what do you think and how important was Rome for the entire world and mostly for Europe?

    Which achievements or cultural,military or even artistic elements of the Roman Empire contributed to the shaping of our world?
     
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    Meteorain Magical & Mystical

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    Dude...Roman Empire...ancient times?
     
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    I would say that the Holy Roman Empire had at least as much influence on the Western World as Roman Empire had. Sadly, though, people tend to oversee this Empire. I am sure the Habsburgs never made it to Thessaloniki (mainly due to that other Empire active in that time), but that is hardly a good reason to omit this Empire alltogether...

    I think that, by now, it is very hard indeed to say what the Roman Empire (Rome) has brought the world. From what I remember, it crumbled down around 400 or 450 AD or something. However, all the progress the Romans made was lost in the 1000 years that followed, mainly due to - again - Rome itself and Catholicism, although the "Barbarians" have something to do with that also. Most notably, I think the Roman Empire (Rome) brought us the Renaissance; the period people started picking up where the Romans and the Greeks left us, although it is VERY hard indeed to tell exactly what was reused and what reinvented.
     
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    I wouldn't connect the Roman Empire with the reinaisance.

    Actually for me,there is a strange connection with Rome.Don't take this as some "nationalistic rant" like Elladan would perhaps say,but Rome was a part of my culture.
    Rome conquered all of Greece but vastly used our civilization(philosophy,arts,religion,even alphabet and grammar stuff etc.)and Rome after 300 A.D when the capital was moved to Byzantium became a Hellenic Empire(though the citizens and Emperors still called themselves Romans even though they knew they were Greeks,to the end of the Byzantine Empire and even until the 20th century greeks have been calling each other "romioi" which means "romans").That's why I feel a very strong connection with Rome.The Byzantine Empire was the legal continuation of the Roman Empire.

    So what has Rome given to the world?Some of the first perfectly organized soldiers,law systems,sewage systems,roads,baths,castles and huge walls,amazing architecture remnants of which can be found all over Europe and the mediterennean!

    Philosophy,literature,mosaics!War tactics and introduction of various customs and products of far away places to Europe.

    And of course...the latin language!
     
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    Just what exactly do you think Renaissance means :p

    I think that the Romans trully invented few of these.

    One has to remember that the Greater Mediterranian area (streching from the Two River Area to the Pillars of Hercules) has seen a great number of civilisations and, all building on the last. If anything, the Romans were the first to succeed in bringing all these cultures to a single place (later: two places) and take the best of everything. Of course, in the crucible that arose, a lot of new ideas spawned, but most can traced back to earlier work.

    And again, the best inventions of the Roman Empire were made big by what was left when the Roman Empire fell; the Roman Church. Latin and the accompanying alphabet, for instance were forced upon the rest of the Western World through the Roman Catholic Church.

    Interesting question though; What do you think of the Romanian claim on Roman heritage?
     
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    That's not the only case,our civilization(byzantine empire)was heavily influenced by Rome and actually and legally it was Rome's continuation even after the split of Rome to West and East and the creation of the kingdom of France and the Holy Roman Empire which claimed the legality of being the continuation of Rome.
     
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    I'm pretty sure when it says Roman Empire there's a universal agreement on the one that you associate Julius Caesar, Asterisk, Gladiator to lol
     
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    Yes the...Russel Crowe kind of Empire
     
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    Amazing film, though it's not really the point here lol
     
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    Havin a wide spread empire that mostly took baths. Great achievment. It was addopted here in Ten'saay about 4 years ago.:D
     
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    Hmm... Yes.

    Let's talk about cultural background.

    The cultural background of the Dutch relies mostly on two renaissance figures (or, at least, one of them is renaissance, and the other is contemporary), by the name of Desiderius Erasmus and John Calvin.

    Both religious philosophers, one taught us humanity; the value of a human being being equal to the next. And the virtues of education, to mention some. I mentioned renaissance as the prime benefit of the Roman Empire, because Erasmus was heavily inspired by the Romans (Romanticsm avant-la-lettre). He is prized as probably the most learned Latin and Ancient Greek scolar of his time (which is saying a lot).

    The other person, the Czech Monk John Calvin taught us Humbleness. That personal gain is no way to His Kingdom and only spawns envy amongst peers and contemporaries. A humble and simple life under the watchfull eye of the Lord. Acquiring wealth was sort of OK, but bragging and showing off was a no go for about 4 centuries.

    In turn, this created a sort of humbleness about our being, our "glorious" country, our background. And an acceptance and tollerance to other people.

    Can you, then, understand that, from my cultural background, these sorts of threads, at the honour and glory of... a ethnicity or people can only be frowned upon?
     
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    Then how am I ever to understand your desire to start such threads?
     
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    Sorry you just confused me,I don't understand what you're saying.
     
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    You don't understand me. I don't understand you. Cultural difference, that...
     
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    CRAP! I cant understand this conversation at all!
     
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