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  1. Gûd Daedheloth

    Gûd Daedheloth Foe of Morgoth's Realm

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    OK, a while back, around Episode 1 time, I got a hold of the early screenplay for Ep 3. I only read the first few pages, and seem to have lost it since then. What I do remember is that Obi-Wan and Anakin are fighting around some lava pits (not just practice, like for real), Anakin falls in, and Obi barely manages to Force-pull him out in time. It ruins Anakin's breathing.
     
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    Are you for real? How on earth did you get that.
    That sounds familiar though. If i could guess, that planet would probably be Korriban, the sith homeworld, at least according the KOTOR game i recently got. It's a fairly desolate place with volcanoes and such.
     
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    So what's happening with cg chewy? ..any news? :confused:
     
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    Yah I remember hearing that too. About Anakin and Obi fighting. And Anakin is badly burned, hence the whole darth vader outfit.


    Also heard, Chewie and a lot of wookies are going to be in it! Yay. Going to be so good to see Chewie again. He lives!
     
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    arr? did you misinterpret my querie or sumthing? t'was asking if you had news of any developments to the alleged CG CHEWWIEE? .... I mean Yoda was barely OK for AOTC [I mean they should have stuck with the classic puppet/artificial/you-knowe-what-i-mean originals] they were soooo iconicly classic for the whole cult standard, bert that being a *geek cult*... the cg geeks have found their way to upgrading the charactrs into a newly-discovr'd realm of three-dimensionality [which i'm all for btw, as i am one of those geeks] i just have sum teething probs with coming to grips with the whole transition that's all. :( my classic yoda.......chewie? hawwww, i mourn such a loss.
     
  6. Arin

    Arin I bite back....

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    ggggrrrr! They better not screw Chewie up! Or I'll go Screw Lucas up!!!:balrog:
     
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    Squall Leonhart Wielder of the Gunblade

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    Arin, I'll help. We will take the screenplay from Episode II, and shove it down Lucas's mouth, then we can beat him with sticks. WE MUST PRESERVE CHEWIE!!! Just think, when they make Episodes VII, VIII, and IX (if they even do) everybody will be CG and they won't even need actors! That can be a two way street though. What if the voice actors suck as bad as the real actors from Episode II (excluding Obi-Wan and Mace Window).
     
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    Oh come guys! real star wars fans would just like the movies because they are star wars! :p
     
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    Gûd Daedheloth Foe of Morgoth's Realm

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    "Preserve Chewie"? I'm still in mourning after his death on Sernpidal. :-(
     
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    Yup! Thats why I don't care what form he takes in the next movie as long as he's there!
     
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    some of us are just closed minded, that's all. And I didn't like the way Chewie died. I was hoping he would like take out an entire Imperial Fleet with him or something.
     
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    awww, but he just wont be the same !!! if it is anywhere short of seamless cg artistry then im going to be fuming!!@? :mad:
     
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    At least he died shaking fist. It would have been worse if he just gave in.
     
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    MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR (POTENTIAL) SPOILERS!!!!!
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    Okay, these are snippets I found while browsing the net, so as with all rumours, take them with large helpings of salt. But it's got some interesting stuff so I thought I'd open it up for comment.
    I'll post 3 separate posts below, there's some really good stuff that we should be able to dissect for ages to come :)

    YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!! POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!
     
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    SPOILER POST 1 of 4

    Summary of Rick McCallum webchat :


    Sidious/Palpatine has a much more substantial role in Episode III for
    obvious reasons!


    It has the same emotional depth as ESB, and yet because there are so
    many new planets, it is visually one of the most ambitious films we've
    done.

    On the surface, the film ends on a sad note (and for me, a personally
    gloomy one, because I'll be out of a job), but of course, we know
    wherethe story goes from there. Anakin is the Chosen One, after all.

    "Can you tell us if Tarkin will appear in Episode III?"

    Officially, I can't answer that. Yet I can't say no either.

    Yes, we've shot three major lightsaber battles. I've just left the
    stagewhere we have an underwater tank where we're shooting Obi-Wan
    fightingwith droids.

    "hey rick! can you tell us just one word that darth vader says in
    episode III?"

    How about three words? "I don't fear..."

    "Does George explain all of Anakin's injuries in this film?"

    Yes, except for one.

    "Does Ep. III answer all questions, or are there any left for the
    booksto answer?"

    It answers the questions you have, but it may raise a few new ones
    too.

    The opening battle's in space only, not land.

    "Have you filmed the Obi-wan/Anakin fight yet? I hear its really going
    to be something..."

    Only pieces of it, not the main action yet.

    "Will we see Kamino in Episode III?"

    No.

    "When will Peter Mayhew (Chewbacca) begin filming?"

    March of next year.

    "Can you tell us anything about the OT being released on DVD?"

    It's gonna happen.

    "Will there be an underwater battle in Episode III?"

    Not battle, but a fight.

    "Will we ever see clip(s) of Dooku using 2 lightsabers from Episode
    II? What are the chances of him using 2 in episode III?"

    Only one in Episode III... but there is someone out there who has
    two...and he's bad.

    "Will we see many Jedi die in Episode III, or just a notable few?"

    Yes.

    "How might this affect the rating of the movie?"

    Too early to tell.

    "Will we see a scene involving the naming of Darth Vader and why he is
    named that?"

    Yes.

    "Will there be a volcanic setting in Episode III?"

    They've just put a muzzle on me.

    "Will we see Mace Windu in any form of space action?"

    That's an interesting way of putting it. Yes.

    "Can you give us any hints on to who the EU character might be?"

    Can't go there yet.

    We need Joel (Uncle Owen) for a day's work, which will be done next
    year.

    "Will we see Palpatine/Darth Sidious in any sort of 'action' or at
    least'awesome display of dark side power' scene in Episode III?"

    Yes, most definitely

    Beru will appear.

    "Will there be any dreadlocked Wookiees in Episode III?"

    Only because of your screen name will I answer this. Yes.

    "How do you think most fans will feel about Anakin's eventual
    downfall?Saddened, shocked, anrgy or betrayed? How did you feel upon
    reading the script?"

    Yes. All of the above.

    "In regards to Chewbacca's role in Episode III, will it be obvious
    thatit's Chewie? And will his role add more depth to his character in
    the classic trilogy?"

    Even though we haven't shot it yet, I think I can say yes

    "Will David Prowse be back to play the Dark Lord?"

    Absolutely not.

    "The latest rumor is that the title of Episode III will be BIRTH OF AN
    EMPIRE. Are we close?"

    Not even close.

    "Does Jar Jar survive this film?"

    Yes. His next job will be Bush's Foreign Minister.

    "I really worded my last question badly. What I'm getting at is, 'Is
    Palpatine Darth Sidious?'"

    This movie answers that question conclusively.

    "Will Kit Fisto use a double headed lightsaber in Episode III like he
    does in the clone wars sketches?"

    No, he doesn't.

    "Will there be any issues with the Sith statement, 'Only two there
    are,master and apprentice' in this film?"

    The statement remains true.

    "Is Padme a senator throughout the whole movie?"

    Yes.

    "Is Rose Byrne returning as Dorme in ep. 3? Thanks!"

    Sadly no. She's working opposite Brad Pitt in TROY right now.

    "Has Anakin's Turn to the dark side been shot yet? If so is it cool!"

    It's a two-hour turn to the dark side.

    "Does Boss Nass appear in Ep.III?"

    No.

    "How old are Luke & Leia at the end of Episode 3???"

    Less than a month old.

    "Do we see Padme pregnant in the film?"

    Yes.

    "Are any female jedi going to be seen fighting in Episode 3?"

    Yes

    "Will we see Yoda fighting again in EP3 or will it kinda happen off
    screen?"

    Yes. Full on-screen.
     
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    SPOILER 2 of 4 - possible opening scene script

    On the polar opposite end of the trustworthy scale, we've got an e-
    mailthat appeared at Geek Headquarters and the Moriarty Labs earlier
    this afternoon. This is one of those that comes in that just makes you
    laughwhen you read it. I am in no way prepared to vouch for the
    veracity of
    the claims this e-mail makes. I don't know this source at all.


    I enjoyed reading the e-mail, though. And I enjoyed it enough that I
    thought I'd go ahead and reprint it here for you, just after handing
    over enough giant grains of salt for you to recreate the asteroid
    chasefrom EMPIRE. This might be total jibber-jabber. It might be
    absolutelytrue. <"
    target="l"http://www.xzaust.com/index.php?page=matrix Only time
    willtell, right? Maybe Greivous and Grando can team up...


    Harry,

    I have seen the official presentaion by LucasFilm for Episode III.
    Belowis a summary of the first part. I will send more when I have a
    chance.

    Title Crawl: The clone wars continue on and the war is being fought
    above Coursant. The separatist forces have captured Chancellor
    Palpatine. Two Jedis, Obi-Wan and Anakin have found out where
    Palpatineis being held and lead a Squad of clones to rescue the
    Chancellor...

    A huge space battle is taking place above the planet of Couruscant.

    Obi-Wan and Anakin are flying new Jedi Starfighters that have a
    strangesimilarity to TIE fighters in the original trilogy. It's a very
    exciting scene with lots of action. Obi-Wan and Anakin try to get a
    lock on ShaakTi's tracking device (she was captured along with
    Palpatine) and find
    that she and Palpatine are in the most heavily guarded ship. Obi-
    Wan and
    Anakin call for backup from the Clone troopers just as 20 or so droid
    fighters leave the ship and attack.

    The droid fighters look like smaller Imperial shuttles. The battle
    continues and one of the droid shuttles deploys a bunch of sphere
    shapeddroids, about the size of basketballs. They attach to Obi-Wan's
    Starfighter and arms, legs and lasers pop out. They begin to attack
    the various components of his ship, much like the Sentinels did in the
    Matrix. One of the droids cuts the head off of the R4 droid in the
    starfighter.

    Anakin flies in to save his master and best friend. He tells Obi- Wan
    to keep steady and he starts to shoot the droids off the ship. He hits
    Obi-Wan's starfighter a few times and decides to try a different
    method.He flies in close to Obi-Wan and brushes the droids off the
    ship with
    his wing. One of the droids hops onto Anakin's ship and tries to
    cut off
    R2-D2s head. R2 extends an arm and hits the droid with a blast of
    electricity knocking it off the ship.

    One last droid is still on Obi-Wan's ship and does some major damage.
    The ejector seat doesn't function and he loses control. His plan is to
    crash land his ship in to the hanger of the large separatist ship
    wherePalpatine is being held. However, a shield is up. Anakin must
    fly in and
    knock out the shield to allow Obi-Wan to land.

    Just as the two Jedi's enter the ship, the steel hanger doors shut.
    Obi-Wan pulls out his lightsaber, cuts open the canopy of his
    starfighter and jumps out just as the ship crashes and bursts into
    flames. He does a flip in the air as he is surrounded by battle
    droids.Anakin, still in his ship, flies through the hanger and crashes
    into the droids once again saving Obi-Wan.

    Anakin and Obi-Wan then run off following Shaak Ti's signal. Hayden
    Christensen has obviously bulked up since Episode II. He stands a few
    inches taller than Ewan McGregor, and has much broader shoulders.
    Christensen now has shoulder length hair and is wearing more black
    leather underneath his Jedi robe. McGregor's hair is cut close to his
    head and he has a full beard, reminiscent of Alec Guinness. In fact,
    his voice sounds strangely like Guinness' as well.

    The two are encountered by battle droids and they fight their way
    through. When they find Shaak Ti, she is in a room filled with battle
    droids, General Grevious and his body guards. Grevious is mostly
    machinewith only the brain and eyes of a human. His metal body looks
    similar to that of the TX endoskeleton in the new Terminator movie but
    he wears a
    cloak that covers most of him. On his belt he carries the
    lightsabers of
    the Jedi he has killed. His body guards carry electrified pikes
    that are
    impervious to lightsabers.

    Grevious has Shaak Ti kneel in front of him and then executes her with
    her own lightsaber. Obi-Wan and Anakin rush in and fight with the
    battledroids as well as Grevious' guards. More and more battle droids
    show up and the Jedi's realize they are outmatched. To escape, they
    cut into the
    floor and fall into the engine room of the star ship.

    All the while the battle continues to rage on out side and the
    starshiphas taken heavy damage. The engine room is starting to fill
    with liquid fuel. Covered with fuel and no longer able to use their
    lightsabers, they try to make their way out of the engine room. Battle
    droids have followed them down and are now chasing them as the room is
    quickly filling with fuel. Anakin and Obi-Wan struggle to find a way
    out but it
    seems that all the openings are far too small for a human to fit
    through.

    Eventually they do find one and start climbing up the ladder inside
    the shaft. The battle droids are right on their heels and the fuel in
    the engine room is getting close to electrodes on the walls. The two
    Jedi climb out of the shaft and into a hallway as Anakin seals the
    hatch behind them with his lightsaber. The fuel reaches the electrodes
    in the
    engine room and explodes. The explosion rips the ship in half.

    Quickly, Anakin and Obi-Wan make it to the bridge where they find
    Chancellor Palpatine and General Grevious. Anakin and Obi-Wan attack
    Grevious but he quickly knocks Obi-Wan out and fights alone with
    Anakin.Through the window of the bridge we can see that the ship is
    crashing into Coruscant.

    Grevious sees this too and makes a daring escape. He smashes the glass
    and climbs out the window. Because he is mostly metal he can walk on
    walls, ceilings and the outside of starships. He runs along the
    outsideof the ship, makes his way to an escape pod and gets away.

    Back in the bridge Obi-Wan has woken up and he finds Anakin at the
    helmof the ship, trying to prevent it from crashing. As the ship
    entersCoruscant's atmosphere, the ship starts to burn up and debris
    starts to fly off. Just before they crash into the city below, Anakin
    is able to
    get the nose of the ship up and make a somewhat safe crash
    landing.

    At this point, the e-mail shuts off with a startled, "No, George, I'm
    not e-mailing anyone anyth... EERRRRRKKK!!"


    Take that for what it's worth.
     
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    SPOILER 3 of 4

    Now this one requires a large leap of faith, but apart from the whole "But they burned his body" thing, it's not that far out of a concept. Anyway, good for debate!
    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    Qui-Gon is going to play a bigger role than you probably think. He was
    discussed more in AOTC than people probably remember. First, the voice
    thing. Why would they include him screaming "Anakin, NOOOOOO" for no
    reason. Secondly, he didn't disappear when he died and Lucas has told
    that thiswill be explained to us. (if he faked his death then he
    wouldn't disappear would he?)
    Thirdly, when Dooku is talking to Obi-Wan he says "I only wish Qui-Gon
    were alive. I could really use his help right now." Obi-Wan says
    "Qui-Gon Ginn would never join you" and Dooku replies "don't be so
    sureof it" Then Dooku goes on for a while about how Qui-Gon knew
    of the
    corruption of the corruption in the Senate etc. etc.
    Fourthly, if Qui-Gon was indeed helping Dooku and Sidious that would
    definitely explain why he was so bent on getting Anakin trained. The
    Emperor probably foresaw Anakin joining the Dark Side and wanted him
    trained in the mean time.

    WOW! I didn't even think about this! I didn't hear Qui-Gon say that in
    AOTC, both times I saw it. Not, that I'm saying it's not there.
    But now
    that this point is in my head, I think Qui-Gon will most likely have
    something to do about Anakin going to the other side of the force.
    Especially since Count Dooku was Qui-Gon's teacher.
     
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    SPOILER 4 of 4 - well, more like a point of discussion

    Herc- Han Solo in the first movie says something about magic and foolish nonsense. Are the Jedi like an urban legend?

    Moriarty- I think that is something we have to see in this one. They have to be disgraced and they have to be ridiculed in this movie.

    Momma Frattelli- Like the Musketeers were before they come back.

    Moriarty- They have to be disgraced. They have to be made into an embarrassment. I think that is the whole thing behind the order for the Clones, the reason that they use the Jedi and the reason that was the front, was when it came out, as it inevitably would, Palpatine could say, “Well, yeah, ten years before the war, the Jedi ordered all these Clones. They knew what was going on. The Jedi set this up.” And as soon as Palpatine says that, the Jedi are done in terms of public favor.

    Sarah- They’ve already talked about them losing their power. They already know that they are losing it.

    Moriarty- I don’t think that suddenly means the Jedi can’t use their magic tricks, I think that they know politically they are done.
     
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    Those are some good things! Thanks.

    Some questions are rather weird though. Is Palpatine Darth Sidious....
     
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    sweeeet, cannot wait