Spam threads

Discussion in 'Comments & Suggestions' started by Adina, Jul 25, 2005.

  1. Adina

    Adina <img src=http://www.thefantasyforum.com/images/nub

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2005
    Messages:
    6,662
    Likes Received:
    54
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Australia
    Ratings:
    +54 / 0 / -0
    The ammount of spam threads has increased immensely over the last month or so. To be totally honest, I find it extremely annoying. I'm aware that I do not have to post there, nor take any notice of it at all, however I do have my reasons.
    I believe this ammount of spamming is taking a lot away from the forum. Rarely do half the people who post have anything slightly intellectual to say. Again, I understand this is their choice and I do not have to take notice, but wouldn't it be nice to see some 'good' topics flying around?

    My suggestion goes a little something like this. I think it would be marvellous for those who wish to start new spam threads to ask approval of their idea via Skyanide or any of the other forum administrators. It would then be up to those who see the growth of TFF to make the decision whether the thread is completely pointless or holds some value.

    Just a suggestion from a recent addition to TFF. Thanks for reading. :)
     
    • Like Like x 1
  2. Senekha

    Senekha <a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2005
    Messages:
    4,024
    Likes Received:
    84
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Varghala
    Ratings:
    +84 / 0 / -0
    I agree - many of the threads in the spam forum are the same thing, with different names. For example - is there really a need for both the "Person above you" and "Comment about the person ahead of you" threads, which are identical?
     
  3. Kiwi

    Kiwi Pew pew pew pew! Boom!

    Joined:
    May 6, 2005
    Messages:
    1,667
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    In my own little world.
    Ratings:
    +11 / 0 / -0
    Heh. If they want to be idiots, I'd say that's their problem. People who post in the Spam thread, but make it fun, are people I like. People who make intellectual comments on other forums or threads are people I like. I just don't like people who make pointless threads or copycat threads.

    For example: I noticed Tinuviel's Friday Five threads were in the Spam section. Does that mean they should be removed? I say no, because it's a good mixer and everyone who posts learns something interesting and/or funny about other people who post. Same thing with most of that stuff... if people get to have socials with other people, regardless of how zany or dumb they are, I'd say keep 'em. I just don't like "Person Above You" threads where it's two pages of "is online", "isn't online", or any other obvious remarks. However, the Palace, the Cave, etc., regardless of how dumb they have become, still are social spots. It's essentially a watered-down RPG area.

    For me, it's all about whether or not I feel like I've learned something or had some weird experience while I'm there.

    And, well, it is called the Spam forum for a reason. :spam:
     
  4. Adina

    Adina <img src=http://www.thefantasyforum.com/images/nub

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2005
    Messages:
    6,662
    Likes Received:
    54
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Australia
    Ratings:
    +54 / 0 / -0
    Kiwi, a couple of valid points but I do have a question or two for you.

    What is the difference between something like "is online" and "*pounces and runs away*"?
    Reading either of those doesn't really give you anything does it?
    I'm not saying ALL spam threads are pointless. As you all probably know, I've had my fun in spam too.
    But it seems to be getting to a ridiculous point. Hence, my reasons for requesting that mods now make new threads approved based solely on what they can bring the forum.
    I'd like to hear anyone here tell me that I am wrong in regards to the ridiculous ammount of threads in the spam section.

    To throw another bone out there, what's with telling every new person to come to the spam section? I'm not pointing fingers at those who do it, but really, why?
     
  5. Kiwi

    Kiwi Pew pew pew pew! Boom!

    Joined:
    May 6, 2005
    Messages:
    1,667
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    In my own little world.
    Ratings:
    +11 / 0 / -0
    Heh... Well, first off, you're definitely right about the increase in pointlessness in the Spam area as of late... back in my day... wow, that makes me sound old... well, back when I joined and spammed my arse off, I did a lotta dumb stuff, but at least there was more than just "is right" and stuff. Sure, not by much, but it was there.

    And as for "*pounces and runs away*"... hey, if people get startled about it and start talking like it was a sneak attack, it sounds like an RPG to me.

    I AM agreeing with Adina's recommendation of mod-approved Spam threads, though, mainly to reduce the copycat threads and pointless threads coming up lately. For example, the "^.<.V" game is perhaps pointless spamming at its finest, combining three threads into one... I've played it, but it's pretty... well, dumb. Same thing with... well, two Person Above You threads, and who here can forget the "Any girls here need some hobbit love???" by that guy who got banned a few days later and thread deleted. If they're gonna be deleted anyways, I'd say don't allow them to make it in the first place.

    And about the Spam referrals... I just do it in case people get bored... like, when I first joined, I wasn't expecting to do anything on the forum... LDH had me sign up, and then she's like, "There's a Spam area, y'know." and then I was off. It felt like it was sort of a warmer, even if it was just with 20-chains in the Person Above You threads. And now... well, I'm certainly more active around as many forums as my credentials allow me. Like I said, I do it just as a suggestion to the nervous posters... warm-ups, removal of flaming urges, call it what you want. It worked for me.
     
  6. Jessehk

    Jessehk The introverted

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2003
    Messages:
    3,448
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Ontario , Canada
    Ratings:
    +24 / 0 / -0
    I would agree that the spam sections takes away from the forum, but a moderated spam section defeats the purpose of having a spam section.

    I'm sure the admins will come up with something.
     
  7. Cheesy Goodness

    Cheesy Goodness The Fighters Guide House Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2004
    Messages:
    7,022
    Likes Received:
    43
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    PA
    Ratings:
    +43 / 0 / -0
    Actually I think it's brilliant. It basicially, as you said, puts three threads into one. So, why not delete the three threads it replaces? Really, there is no sense in having four threads that have the same basic meaning.
     
  8. Lillith Forbid

    Lillith Forbid Returned Queen of Bondage

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2005
    Messages:
    4,722
    Likes Received:
    67
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    In the very depths of Hell!
    Ratings:
    +67 / 0 / -0

    Exactly. The words right out of my mouth.
     
  9. Skyanide

    Skyanide The Big Meanie Staff Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2003
    Messages:
    7,025
    Likes Received:
    76
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Canada
    Ratings:
    +77 / 0 / -0
    The SPAM section was created because the staff neither has the time nor resources to read every post in "the person above you" threads, etc; for us it is a waste of time.

    To be honest, the only time we really intervene in that section is if things get hostile or the posts/threads are ones that have inappropriate content. It was only started as a "catch-all" for stuff that didn't belong in other parts of the board.

    The topics in the spam section seem to work themselves out; if it's a dumb topic, it usually dies. As Jesse mentioned, a moderated spam section defeats the purpose.

    Sky
     
  10. Adina

    Adina <img src=http://www.thefantasyforum.com/images/nub

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2005
    Messages:
    6,662
    Likes Received:
    54
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Australia
    Ratings:
    +54 / 0 / -0
    Well there you have it. Thanks for replying both Jessehk and Skyanide.
    I do see your points loud and clear, so thanks.
    Guess we'll just have to welcome the next ten that are started this week with open arms.
     
  11. Adina

    Adina <img src=http://www.thefantasyforum.com/images/nub

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2005
    Messages:
    6,662
    Likes Received:
    54
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Australia
    Ratings:
    +54 / 0 / -0
    How does, 'The house of Adina' sound? Maybe 'Adina's Castle'? Ooooh wait, I have a great idea! I could make a thread for Adina for every day of the year! What a marvellous idea, don't you think? Then, we can all post more crap than we already do....in heaps more different places! We can repeat ourselves even more! Oh joy!
     
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2005
  12. Adina

    Adina <img src=http://www.thefantasyforum.com/images/nub

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2005
    Messages:
    6,662
    Likes Received:
    54
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Australia
    Ratings:
    +54 / 0 / -0
    This is also why I only suggest that new threads be approved. If someone requested to begin a 'wildest dreams' thread for example, well there's a few like that already so it would only be common sense to knock it back. If it were something a little newer, then fine.
     
  13. Skyanide

    Skyanide The Big Meanie Staff Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2003
    Messages:
    7,025
    Likes Received:
    76
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Canada
    Ratings:
    +77 / 0 / -0
    I can understand your point, but it really would be counterproductive.

    Personally, half the topics I see in the Spam Section I shake my head at. But people have fun with many topics I'd personally have no interest in nonetheless. If I had to go through the process of the approving topics, I'd probably veto half of them. Which usually means trouble.


    See, it's a fine line between an open but moderated forum, and being too restrictive. If I had a dollar for every time I was labelled a Forum Nazi I'd be rich. People often have a hard time understanding that when we moderate, edit, etc., it's not for our personal advancement (there is no corporate ladder to climb here), it's for the good of the forum.

    We already monitor the rest of the forum, moderate, edit when necessary, and hand out discipline. There has to be some onus, some responsibility, on the posters themselves.

    Our ideal purpose as admins and mods are to be a safety net for when those resposibilities aren't being met and to try to maintain a semblance of order.
     
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2005
  14. Jessehk

    Jessehk The introverted

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2003
    Messages:
    3,448
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Ontario , Canada
    Ratings:
    +24 / 0 / -0
    Well said, and I agree.
     
  15. Adina

    Adina <img src=http://www.thefantasyforum.com/images/nub

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2005
    Messages:
    6,662
    Likes Received:
    54
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Australia
    Ratings:
    +54 / 0 / -0
    Ok, point taken on board. Thanks for the prompt replies :)
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. Elan Morin Tedronai

    Elan Morin Tedronai The Forsaken

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    7,747
    Likes Received:
    47
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Sydney
    Ratings:
    +47 / 0 / -0
    Another thing, is that people just post random crap there to get posts. Maybe if you stopped getting posts for spam, people wouldnt do it as much ?

    I noticed when we had the points system, the Spam section slowed down alot because u actually lost points for posting there.
     
  17. Nynaeve

    Nynaeve <a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2004
    Messages:
    4,384
    Likes Received:
    89
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Back home in Vegas!
    Ratings:
    +89 / 0 / -0
    I'm with Adina, I usually avoid that section all together because of majority of it is pointless.



    But Sky makes sense, as much as I hate to say that. :eek: ;)
     
  18. Wisconsin

    Wisconsin Art House Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2003
    Messages:
    10,101
    Likes Received:
    137
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +137 / 0 / -0
    If my glorious "spam" thread goes, then this board and everyone else goes with it!! :p

    But really, it is just spam, if you dont like the way its spammed, dont visit that part of the forums.
     
  19. Wisconsin

    Wisconsin Art House Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2003
    Messages:
    10,101
    Likes Received:
    137
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +137 / 0 / -0
    Sorry for the double post, but I had to comment on this. Please dont bring back the "Boomerang Reign of Terror" (as I called it) What is post count, really? Its just a number (and one that I like to keep very high :rolleyes: ) but theres also the old saying "Quality versus Quantity". Maybe we should get bad reputation for each post we make in spam? (Wow, I wouldnt change at all :p)
     
  20. Liadan

    Liadan Insert Title Here

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    14,968
    Likes Received:
    124
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Arizona
    Ratings:
    +124 / 0 / -0
    I can't forget about it... ;) And I only recommended that thing to you because all you did was complain. :D

    Yeah, I see both points, but the mods have it right. The Spam section takes time from Sky and them, and frankly, if they had to approve every thread, I'd doubt they have time for anything else.