Since we're living in interesting times...

Discussion in 'Every Day Debating' started by Foinikas, Apr 4, 2013.

  1. JNK

    JNK King of tards

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    well just analyse things..when does it happen? Did you ever get in fight with anyone when you posted something about fantasy? music? swords, etc.?

    But when you yourself start provoking people with religious hatred (towards muslims or atheists) or just trying to force people into your views, advocating dictatorship countries and stuff like that... you get the resuls. So the question is who are professional trolls: people you provoke or you yourself?
     
  2. anonymous

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    You still have not read what flaming means, and yet you are using it EVERYWHERE dude.
    Far younger...good to know grandpa`. And what does age has to do with ideas and intellect - are you saying that the older you get the intellectual you are?
    You just admited that you get angry easyly - what sort of debater does that. A weak one.

    And clearly you have no idea what trolling means too....and insulting other is never a way out of fight, so please next time, stay calm or dont reply - if you cant handle your self.

    and JNK has a good post, you are here only for Religioin debates, you are not active member in other discussion or even spam.
     
  3. ~Elladan~

    ~Elladan~ A Elbereth Gilthoniel

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    You can read, if you're so inclined, what you like into most prophecies wherever they originate.

    Give us a decent accurate phrophecy which gives concrete, specific information including dates, parties involved, what sparks event, how long it lasts and how it pans out then the prophet may get a few brownie points.... extra points will be awarded if the centuries old prophecy gave the relevant facebook page and twitter hash-tag :)
     
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  4. Foinikas

    Foinikas Playing backgammon!

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    One thing about dates is that...from what I know only God knows exact dates.And the monks and priests say that too.I don't know if they say the same in the Catholic Church or Protestant Churches.The prophecies of Mitar Tarabich(apart from many of Saint Kosmas Aitolos' prophecies that found fullfiment)are a good example.I'll post them bit by bit because Crouton was right to complain about a huge post.

    I'll c/p them from a site that has the historical events below each of Mitar Tarabich's prophecies(Mitar Tarabich (1829–1899), an illiterate peasant from the small Serbian village of Kremna, experienced occasional prophetic visions. Being a religious person and having a local Serbian orthodox priest for a godfather, he told this priest about his episodes of "seeing into the future".


    The priest, Zaharije Zaharich (1836–1918), wrote down everything in a small notebook, which was damaged by fire in 1943 when his family home was destroyed by the occupying Bulgarian Army. This text is now in the possession of the family of Zaharich’s great-grandson, Mr Dejan Malenkovich. Tarabich’s prophecies were literally very straightforward, unlike the prophecies of Nostradamus (1503–1566) that seem to be encrypted with the latest 1,024-bit encryption technology
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    Predictions and Events up to the End of World War I (1903–1918)

    "After the assassination of the king and queen [Alexander and Draga Obrenovich], the Karageorgevichs will come to power. Then we will again start a war with the Turks. Four Christian states will attack Turkey, and our border will be on the River Lim. Then we shall finally conquer and avenge Kosovo."



    Historical Facts:

    • 1903 – Alexander and Draga Obrenovich were assassinated by their own guards, and Petar Karageorgevich became the ruler of Serbia.
    • 1912 – The First Balkan War erupted between the Balkan Alliance (Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria and Montenegro) and Turkey (Ottoman Empire). The Balkan Alliance won, and Serbia moved its border up to the River Lim. Serbia gained Kosovo from the Turks.



    "Soon after this war, another war will start...the Big War in which a lot of blood will be spilled. If that blood were a river, a huge stone of 300 kilograms would roll in its current easily. A mighty army from across a river, three times bigger than ours, will attack us... They will destroy everything on their way. They penetrate deep into our land... Hard times will come upon us... Our army will almost give up, but than suddenly an intelligent man on a black stallion will take command and cry out, ’Forward to victory, my people! Forward, brother Serbs!’ Our army springs to life. Its fighting spirit wakes up and the enemy is chased away across the river..."



    Historical Facts:

    • 1914 – The Austro-Hungarian Empire started a war against Serbia after a Serb nationalist, Gavrilo Princip, assassinated the heir to the Austrian throne, Archduke Francis Ferdinand, and his wife in Sarajevo. This regional war soon developed into World War I (with 32 nations involved). In the beginning, Austria conquered the northern and central parts of Serbia easily but when General Alexandar Mishich—the man on a black stallion—took command, the Serbian armies were able to repel the Austrian invaders back across the River Drina until October 1915.


    "Then an even greater army will come from the north and run over us. Our land will be devastated. We will be dying of hunger and sickness in great numbers. For three years, Serbia will live in total darkness. During that time, our wounded army will be abroad. They will stay in a place surrounded by the sea and will be fed and nursed by friends from over the seas. Then, their wounds healed, they will come back home in ships. They will free Serbia and all of the territories where our brothers live."


    Historical Facts:
    • The Germans started their attack from the north and by December 1915 had defeated the Serbs. The Serbian Army and Government fled to the Greek island of Kérkira (Corfu) in 1916. There they regrouped, and after a full recovery they sailed for Salonika where they formed a new front with other allied armies. After much heavy fighting, Serbia was finally free and reunited with the other southern Slav nations (Croats and Slovenians), whose territories had been part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. During the German occupation, a large number of people in Serbia died of hunger and sickness.


    "I will tell you one more thing, father: the invading army will come to Kremna exactly on your baptismal day, stay for three years and go away on the same day they came—St Luke’s Day. But you will not see the end of the war. In the last year of the world’s big carnage, you will die. Both these wars, the one with the Turks and the big one when the whole world will be at war, will take away two of your grandchildren—one before, and the other after your death."


    Historical Facts:
    • The Germans entered Kremna on St Luke’s Day, and the village was liberated on exactly the same date three years later. Zaharije Zaharich died in 1918, the last year of World War I, which also took the lives of two of his grandchildren—one before, and one after his death.




    Predictions and Events up to the End of World War II (1918–1945)

    "Listen to me, my good father: after the first Big War, Austria will disappear and Serbia will be as big as a real kingdom. We will live together with our northern brothers."


    Historical Facts:
    • 1918 – The Austro-Hungarian Empire was dissolved. In December 1918 a new State, officially titled the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, was proclaimed. It was constantly riddled with economic, social and political problems caused mostly by conflicts between various nationalistic political parties.


    "For some years we shall live in peace, love and prosperity. But it will not last for long. A venomous hatred will come into our people... Blood is spilled...horrible! I do not know when or why, but it is probably because of this hatred."


    Historical Facts:
    • Serbian domination of the government and a multiplicity of political parties, and denial of autonomy to the Croats, Slovenes and other minority groups, engendered intense political strife in the kingdom. Under the guidance of Stjepan Radich, the Croats and their allies systematically struggled against the centralist system and leadership. The first phase of the struggle ended when, in June 1928, a Montenegrin deputy in the national Parliament fatally shot Radich and two of his parliamentary colleagues. In retaliation, the Croats withdrew from the Parliament and organised a separatist regime, with headquarters in Zagreb. Civil war seemed imminent, but in January 1929 King Alexander (the Serbian king) suspended the 1921 constitution, dissolved Parliament and all political parties and assumed dictatorial control of the government. The king, thus hoping to impose national unity, subsequently abolished the traditional provinces and changed the name of the State to the Kingdom of Yugoslavia ("Land of the South Slavs").


    "Then the one who sits on the throne of our kingdom is killed. He will leave behind a widow and orphans. A relative of his will replace him on the throne, and he will try to rule justly and take good care of his cousin’s children. But people do not love him, and he is accused of being an unjust ruler. He is dethroned and imprisoned by his army. His life will be saved by England’s king and queen. Then, on the empty throne, our killed king’s boy sits. But he will rule only for a few days. He will be taken by his soldiers over the seas because our kingdom is again invaded by a foreign, evil army. All of Europe is under the rule of the crooked anti-cross."


    Historical Facts:
    • On 9 October 1934, a Macedonian(Foinikas: Macedonian meaning "Skopjan" Slav :p) terrorist connected with Croatian separatist groups assassinated King Alexander, then in France on a diplomatic mission. The king’s son, still a youth, succeeded to the throne of Yugoslavia as Petar II. Control of the government was vested in a tripartite Regency Council headed by Prince Pavle Karageorgevich, a cousin of the late king. Because of his growing unpopularity, Pavle was ousted by his army and exiled to England. World War II started in 1939. The German Army invaded Yugoslavia in April 1941, but young King Petar fled Yugoslavia with the government ahead of the invading Nazi hordes. Most of Europe fell under Nazi occupation.


    "In the beginning, Russia will not wage war; but when attacked by the evil army, they will fight back. There is a red czar on the Russian throne."


    Historical Facts:
    • When Nazi Germany started World War II, the USSR (Russia) remained neutral. On 22 June 1941, more than three million German troops invaded the USSR. Under Communist Party leader Joseph Stalin, the USSR fought back.


    "Here, men with stars on their foreheads will appear. They will rule Uzice and this region for exactly 73 days, and then fleeing their enemies they will go over the River Drina. These are times of hunger and great evil... Serbs will fight and butcher each other. The invading enemy looks upon Serbian evil hatred and laughs at us. A man with blue eyes on a white horse appears among our people. A star shines on his forehead. The evil enemy will hunt him all over our country, in the woods, over rivers and upon the sea, but in vain. The man will gather a mighty army and free occupied Belgrade. He will chase away the enemy from our country, and our kingdom will be bigger than ever. Russia will make an alliance with other great kingdoms over the seas, and they will burn down the crooked anti-cross and free all the enslaved people of Europe."


    Historical Facts:
    • In Yugoslavia the Communist Party, led by Croatian communist Josip Broz Tito—the man with blue eyes on a white horse—started the resistance against the Germans and Italians as well as against the Serb and Croat nationalist extremists who were waging war against each other. The symbol of Tito’s Communist Party was a red star, which they wore on their hats.
    • The first territory liberated by Tito and his army was the region around the city of Uzice. They held it against German and Italian forces for exactly 73 days, and then Tito and his army were forced to flee over the River Drina to Bosnia. Guerrilla war was fought all over Yugoslavia.
    • By May 1945, the Germans were defeated by the alliance of the USSR, USA, UK and France, and by the end of the year Yugoslavia was united. Tito entered Belgrade on a white horse and made the Royal Palace his residence. Communist Yugoslavia was formed, and gained more territories from the neighbouring state of Italy.
     
  5. anonymous

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    As I said before - argument consisted of God is not a base for proof or base on what to establish argument.
    About the written evidence - it is easy to manipulate, ecspically taken churches power, and it can be easy fabricated to fit the events what already have happened, and then to find a "book" of a prophet who predicted them. About the encryption it is a basic math, nothing beat math, you can find it everywhere and it is everywhere, so it easyly can be a coincidence. And you have to understand that Church has a tendency to "censor" the parts of what they dont like and add stuff what they would like. And it was ALL in the history; Where are modern prophets and they "correct" prophecies? History you had many chances to change/edit misunderstood evidence etc- to lead into fabrication of facts.




    This prophecie can be applied to many even in history for example Latvia.

    When Bermont took Riga, (He attack from Other side of Daugava..now know as west side of Daugava) They took Riga and almost all Latvia, but the General Janis Balodis retaliated and they won most of the Latvia back and chased enemy away across Daugava. I am sure that many events can be applied too.


    Please, it was just a guess. Most kings and queens were killed in the intriegue of middle ages and revenge fights fought for nothing.

    1903; 1912 - 9 years apart, many things CAN happen in 9 years, not a SHORT period of time, totatally unrelated events.

    And then the Germans came and took over Latvia, in WWI..dude all if these can be applied to every small/medium sized country in WWI & WW2 -_-.


    Most of these prophecies +/- cam be applied to every historical even in my country. And I am 100% sure that these prophecies were later edited to be a better match for historical events.... if you are not then you certainly are naive.

    And besides, some guy wrote these "prophecies" he could easyly misuderstand and effect so called prophecies. And sme guy later then found them and read - and was like OMG - dis ne prophecies...yeah right.

    And where it is said that the prophecies was not the cause of the events more than the results, as I said before most king tend to have prophets to help them wage war and usually they did as prophets "pre-told".
     
  6. Stormborn

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    Can you prove that it will never be there?

    Because you said you can't believe something that you can't prove. But can you prove that it doesn't exist?

    If you can't prove that it doesn't exist, then you shouldn't say that you believe that there is nothing there and never will be something there. Because without proof - you say you can't believe in it.

    And no, I don't believe in the prophecies, but I do believe in a lot of stuff that I can't prove.
     
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    anonymous the king

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    because as I said beforehand-

    in science (and mainly in every argument, that is not based on philosophical thinking - therefore being idea of research or argument, not the base of the argument) until the moment when your thesis is proven - it is not true. For example if I state that there is no molecular movement in hard substances, this hypothesis will be wrong until proven that there really is no molecular movement in hard substances (there is by the way)

    It`s easy if you can`t prove it - it is not true, until proven otherwise.

    i do not have to prove that it dosent exists, it enough if you can`t prove that it does- it just the way everything in science works...
     
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    Yeah, science. I've never been able to understand the logic of science.
     
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