Shelob and mithril vest

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  1. Aragorn Elessar

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    Just watched ROTK tonight, in the scene where Shelob stings Frodo, my brother realized something interesting... how did Shelob sting Frodo while Frodo was wearing the mithril vest? Maybe it stang Frodo below the vest (then I guess there won't be any little Bagginses coming from him if he had stayed!)?

    Even the cave troll couldn't pierece Frodo's mithril vest, how did Shelod sting him? Just wondering... I don't know how that scene played out in the book... I'm reading it, but still working through FOTR right now, so I still have some way to go... any one knows?
     
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    Hmmm... very interesting thing you got there...

    maybe she could penetrate it, since in the book, nobody could penetrate her skin but somebody with the same strength as herself..

    but that mithrill shirt should have stopped her... :|
     
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    Yes i wonder now about that, in the book i think shelob actually BIT frodo as that is what spiders tend to do but who knows what happened in the movie.
     
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    She got him above the vest. It doesn't go up to his neck or anything.
     
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    Well, if she did got him above the vest, it'd have been quite close to the throat though... the vest doesn't go all the way up, but it's still quite close to the neck though? And I suppose I'll die if someone stabbed in in the throat even if it's not Shelob...?
     
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    Well remember, the shirt was made for an elven prince or something, and frodo is a hobbit, so its not an exact fit, so the neck area would be more exposed than normal so if it shook around she could probably sting him in teh shoulder/neck region.
     
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    yeah, but when you see it in moria, it goes quite high
     
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    shelob stabs frodo in the upperback/lower neck just look at the scene
     
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    1st of all if you listen closely, you hear the stinger go threw the mithril chain. and when frodo is walkin up to mount doom, he is wearing no chain (in the movie) but in the book its differn't. So its PJ's mistake.
     
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    That probably cause sam took it, and the mitril vest could be breached if the stinger was sharp enough, like armour piercing bullets, if its needle thing it can go between the links and spread them out as it goes in deeper.
     
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    IN the book it was the back of the neck , pj goofed.
     
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    exactly... but i dont remember in the bok what happpens to the vest?
     
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    The orcs take it, and send it to the "eye", then at the battle of the morrannon, the Mouth of sauron brings it out with sams sword and then gandalf takes them both back.
     
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    Which is in the EE
     
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    Woah, wait a minute. Mount doom? Shelob stings Frodo, the orcs take him and steal his mithril, Sam rescues Frodo, and Mount doom still comes later (in the movies and in the books). Frodo does not have mithril @ Mount Doom at all.
    As for the sound, it could be the vest shaking as Frodo's body is jarred by the force of the sting. Or maybe the stinger is small enough to go inbetween the links. I should watch it again.
     
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    Been thinking about this, and just remember that there's another wound that we can see on Frodo's right chest when he was taken by the orcs, apart from his morgol blade wound. If I remember correctly, it's around the center of his right chest
     
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    He was stung on the right side of his chest right aroud the breast part of the chest. There is a large circular sting mark and the stinger did go through the mithril, maybe because it was small enough to spread the links, maybe because pj needs to read the books more carefully, because he should have been stung in the back of the neck where it happended in the book.
     
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    Sometimes theatric needs do over ride logic a little bit. It sure looks more suspensful and *painful* the way it was showed in the movie than Frodo just being stang when he turned backwards
     
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    I dont think Frodo was bit, cuz the in the book, Gorbag clearly describes a Shelob having 'sting' or a stinger. Plus all of the artwork I have ever seen of Shelob, she either has her stinger out, or has it tucked in with the point outward. As for where he was stung, in the movie he was stung in the upper portion of his right breast, in the same spot as the knife wound on the other breast. And in the book, he was stung smack in the middle of his exposed neck. And I do think that her stinger could probably penetrate (haha, funny word) through the mithril rings.
     
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