Sex in Middle Earth

Discussion in 'Debates' started by havelockploz, Mar 30, 2004.

  1. Aragorn Elessar

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    Well, since it's brought up, I'll talk about it a little more :draught:

    Circular reasoning is very similar to begging the question, but there's a slight difference. Remembering the two examples I gave above for begging the question, here's one for circular reasoning, and I hope this can show the subtle difference between the two:

    "He sits at the typewriter, but he simply cannot think of a thing to write. It's because he has writer's block."

    To translare this, it's basically is: He can't write becase he can't write.

    That's circular reasoning. Unlike begging the question, which uses part of the matter at issue as part of the premise for an argument, circular reasoning means that the explanation and the thing that one is tryig to explain are the same thing.

    Hope this helps :)
     
  2. Skyanide

    Skyanide The Big Meanie Staff Member

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    I liked this thread better when it actually talked about sex in Middle Earth...:humper:
     
  3. Durthang

    Durthang Demon of Might

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    I liked it better when it made sense ;)
     
  4. havelockploz

    havelockploz With a preliminary 'P'

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    Did it ever?
    I'm really sorry for using the phrase 'begs the question' and I see the error of my ways.
    Can we get back to :humper: now?

    Now, elves and humans can interbreed, and this proves that they are of the same species. But how can they? I mean one is immortal for heaven's sake! And where are the half-hobbits and half-dwarves? Surely in Bree there must be a few half-hobbits, as they are surely closer related than humans and elves.

    BTW, Nienor, if your avy is of an elf, then I can definately consider myself an elf pervert. :D

    Could the GOndorian Kin-strife have been coused by some serious inbreeding?
     
  5. Aragorn Elessar

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    I suppose that elves and men are almost physically identical, seeing that you can kill an elf the same way that you can kill a man (like stabbing them, burning etc), so the elves are not immortal in a way that their physical body is invulnerable or can regenerate in ways that other fantasies or legends depict immortals.

    I would think that the elves are immortals because of the *grace* destowed upon them, rather than anything specifically physically different...

    So what Arwen would give up is this *grace* that's mentioned (at least in the movies) that she has, and can then simply proceed to the bed with Aragorn without any physical change. All that's different between her and a normal human would simply be that she ages slower (just as the Numenorean line does)...

    I suppose then that elves could enjoy all the pleasures of sex just as normal human does, just that they're more "sophisticated" than simply pursuing worldly and physical pleasures.

    I can't really picture Celeborn and Galadriel going at it... but I guess they obviously do, at least when they decide to get productive...
     
  6. Nienor

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    Allrighty everyone, back on topic. :humper: :humper: :humper: :humper: :humper:

    Why, yes it is. :D

    Only in Southern Gondor. ;)

    I'm not sure. The logistics of that could be very difficult..
     
  7. byzantine warrior

    byzantine warrior Autokratos Konstantinou

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    i cant imagine hobbits :humper:
     
  8. havelockploz

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    How 'bout rosie cotton? Mmmmmm...
    Sorry. Back to reality. ;)

    Not being a Yank, that went straight over my head.
    Please explain.

    Hmmm, yeah. I can just imagine the conversation between the families of the Hobbit and Human beloveds.
    "Well, they obviously love each other"
    "But your son is rather, well....big"
    "We could chop off his legs..."
    "It's not his legs that'll be the problem..."

    Heheh :D
     
  9. Durthang

    Durthang Demon of Might

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    This would be where the banjo-playing Elves came from (obviously never seen Deliverance) ;)
     
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    Sowwy. :eek: That would've had them ROFLMAO in Joisey. *carefully extracts foot from mouth* My bad :eek:

    In the vast majority of fantasy literature, there are half-breed races. I'd assume in ME there could be, even if not really discussed. 'cept half dwarves. Who else could love a dwarf besides another. hehe
     
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    And half a dwarf would be even smaller than a hobbit, so what would be the point? ;)
     
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    Yes. Half a dwarf.
    Does anyone else think it would be hilarious if Gimli had revealed that he was female? That would have been funny.
    Maybe would have even lead to the first Dwarf/Elf Hybrid. ;)
    What are everone else's opinions on ents?
    They are really close to trees, and most trees have male and female flowers...I mean treebeard has a beard but so do a few girls I could name...
    How do little ents happen? Fruit or birth?
     
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    Well, when two ents love each other very VERY much....hehe

    I yelled out "metrosexual" everytime legolas came on scene.....:rolleyes:
     
  14. havelockploz

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    heheh. So immature.
    Anyone have any ideas about the ents?
     
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    LadyLaurelin Crazy 88 Member (#19)

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    lol
    IDk
    they didnt respect their ent-wives too much did they? or they wouldn't have left. but they need the ent wives to breed b/c that was treebeard's reason for not seeing any young ents running around...IDK....hehehe i was gonna tell a terribly joke there but im not...... calm yourself LL......dont say it you moron youre still a newbie here........ :alien: .............
     
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    LadyLaurelin Crazy 88 Member (#19)

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    Quote (havelockploz): "They are really close to trees, and most trees have male and female flowers...I mean treebeard has a beard but so do a few girls I could name..."

    IDK...most trees don't realize that they've got male & female flowers either, whereas ents would.....knowing that you've got everything u need w/ just u, do u still think that they'd still do it solo?
    IDK.... then there's no dependency on the ent-wives.
     
  17. pinkflyingwalruses

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    you're one to talk :p
     
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    LadyLaurelin Crazy 88 Member (#19)

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    lol
    all this at such a young age (all of us who are really involed in the topic seem to be under 16) too! :)
     
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    yea, and hlp is the youngest...and he I mean she, sorry hlp :p started the thread...what does that tell you? :rolleyes:
     
  20. havelockploz

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    HEY! Who still thinks I'm a she!!??
    I am a he and proud of it!
    What is IDK?
    Tell your joke...?
     
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