I see them and their wishes as deluded, ultimately for the human race as a collective it would be better if weak ones as myself did ourselves in and ended our consumption. I don't encourage others to do so though as their definitions and views of self achievement varies. Love is already selfish, so is continuing to live, so is killing yourself. Ultimately no matter how hard we try to appease others or do good our own brains will seize control and demand attention first. It is natural and keeps us alive as nature intends. Bashing myself openly isn't making me feel any better, I'm just telling you as an example. It is a paradox where on either side being alive or dead I would be selfish. I can only see it as a lesser of two evils situation.