Sauron A Balrog?

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  1. Druid of Lûhn

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    I wouldn't exactly call that beating Sauron, especially since Sauron must have been at a pretty big handicap at the time.
     
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    Gandalf wasn't supposed to match Sauron for power; the wizards were forbidden from trying that (Saruman comes to mind).
     
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    Gandalf was not rivalling him in power, but he was sent to destroy him.

    The difference is that Saruman wanted the power for himself, whilst Gandalf does not, and does not try to take it either. He is simply the gods' tool in fighting Sauron.
     
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    though in the end it was three of the smallest creatures of Middle Earth who cast down Sauron, no Elf-lord nor warrior of Numenor, but two hobbits and Smeagol :D
     
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    Although Sauron had already been weakened by Isildur, and the hobbits had help from the armies and heroes of the West. They were the last drop basically; the spearhead.
     
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    armies which would have barely passed as the vanguard or scouting party of the armies of old, when the world was young, and even in defeat the Enemy was stronger by far than even the Wise assembled
     
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    The Balrog army were a force to be reckoned with. They were not 'merely' a vanguard (which is usually the most powerful part of an army), but a special squadron that fought and killed many elves. They had always been seen as awesome foes.
     
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    ah, you speak of THAT army. I had been under the impression you were speaking of the little "army" that Aragorn rode forth with in attempting to capture the Enemy's attention at the Gates.

    You speak of the hobbits having much help, from "the armies and heroes of the West", and the Balrogs were no friend of the West, or my memory betrays me.
     
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    I thought that you were talking about the Silmarillion and the army of Balrogs that Morgoth had under Gothmog's command.
    I'll re-read your post in a different light now. heh
     
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    x3 communication can be so difficult sometimes xD
     
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    Definitely, especially when written with hours between each post.

    Well, now that I knew what you meant I understood your post:
    The armies are rather small, and as we can clearly see they barely survive. The point is that they provide a distraction for Frodo, but had no hope at all of surviving on their own, which is rather apparent.

    The big difference in the war in the Sil and the LotR is that in the latter they use subterfuge, whilst in the first they use plain all-out open battle. The latter wins, even though the armies are nowhere near as big as in the first and second ages.
     
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    which is really ironic. but then I suppose that's sort of a theme in Tolkien's series x3
     
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    Eru made them all. Sauron and the Balrogs were only helpers, not creations, of Morgoth like the Dragons were.
     
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    did Morgoth really make the dragons during his solos in the Ainulindale, or are they just twisted versions of some creature originally created in tandem with the others?
     
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    Balrogs are Maiar, Sauron is a Maia, but Sauron is not a Balrog like Gothmog and five others.
     
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    I think Dragons weren't Maiar
     
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    I think what was meant was "Sauron and the Balrogs were only helpers... of Morgoth" and "the Dragons were creations of Morgoth".
     
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