Sauron A Balrog?

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  1. Druid of Lûhn

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    I can see two obvious posters that posted three times. And seeing as I'm the one that talked about it, you should see that you also spoke a grand total of three times...
     
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    Balrogs are Maiar employed by Melkor.
     
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    Melkor: If you work for me I'll make you all big, fiery and scary.

    Maia: Ummm. What about that and a hobbit a month.

    Melkor: Right, done.

    *shake hands*

    Maia: But we never said I changed; so I'm technically still a maia!
     
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    *sigh* i'm not taliking about somebody here. I'm talking about a character in the Simarillion. And I just found out its name was Huan, the Hound of the Valar, given to Celegorn the Elf-lord by Orome the Valar. He aided Beren and Luthien in the Hunt for the Wolf and the Quest for the Simaril, but was mortally wounded and spoke for the third and last time before them, bidding them farewell.

    And he acted quite human as well.
     
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    Yes, but he was a sort of magical hound. I was saying that if a human mind was placed in an animal's body it would still be a bit human.
     
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    No Sauron wasn't a Balrog.Sauron was a higher class Maia.Balrogs are much more different and in comparison to Sauron inferior in many ways.
     
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    like if Gandalf went through with his threat to turn Sam into a toad? :p
     
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    Barlog?

    Don't they look all the same, fire spirits (something like Barlog from movie)???
     
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    No. By becoming Balrogs, they gave away to their previous order, to their previous beings. Just like Melkor eventually did. Melkor spent so much of his essence in the world, changed so much, he eventually stopped being a Valar except in memory.
     
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    Sauron was a Maia and was one of the first corrupted and the most powerful of the corrupted and hence was the successor of Melkor,the leader of the balrogs on the other hand was Gothmog..
     
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    Yes, but the point is that the balrogs were Maia, and that Sauron was a Maia. The difference is their form however; they all started off as spirits, so they were only truly defined as what they were by the shape they took/were given.
     
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    were the Istari part of the Maiar?
     
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    interesting... Gandalf's on par with Balrogs and Sauron ovO

    But then... how is it possible that once-mortals like the once-Man Witch-king to be even MORE powerful than a Maia like Mithrandir?
     
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    He wasn't, I don't believe.. since the confrontation in the movie is different than in the book. I thought it was pretty stupid having Gandalf knocked about by the Witch-king.
     
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    "Even the Wise" fear them when allied under the Witch-King, or so I remember reading somewhere in the Fellowship?
     
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    Sauron was one of the greatest Maia, Balrogs were less powerful, and the 5 Istari I think were separate. As far as I can remember the appearance of the 5 Istari is unkown, and it happens about 2019 years before LotR, which is way after the other Maia.

    And Gandalf the White was created to be a rival to Sauron (it mentions it somewhere, but I can't remember where exactly).
     
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    he seems to have failed in that sense, at least power-wise. Even with his powers he could barely face Durin's Bane (which probably isn't anywhere near as powerful as Sauron) in open combat without Eru's intervening.
     
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    Gandalf the Grey fought Dúrin's Bane.

    When he returned as Gandalf the White, then he was to fight Sauron.
     
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    Frodo beat Sauron.... Which makes frodo more powerful! :D
     
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