Sauron A Balrog?

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  1. Liadan

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    "Of course"? You're starting to sound like Crusader yourself there. ;)
     
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    nope Saurons not a bloody balrog hes just damn strong
     
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    No, Sauron is not a Balrog. Back long ago, Melkor originally began to corrupt spirits. Eventually, one more was giben more power than others, and this was Sauron. The Balrogs were a lesser cache of spirits that were corrupted. The only Balrog worth mentioning in the same breath as Sauron was Gothmog, the Lord of All Balrogs.
     
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    Goblins are just a different breed of orc, like Uruk-Hai.
     
  5. Dwimmerlaik

    Dwimmerlaik Captain of Despair

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    how do elves=orcs? what do they do, cut elves legs down a foot or so they make them into orcs?

    and arnt ents about 463-48503948 times taller then trolls.?
     
  6. ~Elladan~

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    Melkor breed the orcs in mockery (& in envy) of the elves

    The word "Ent" was taken from Anglo-Saxon, where it means "giant" and as it is historically used can refer to any number of large, roughly humanoid creatures, including, but not limited to, giants, trolls, orcs. . Tolkien used it to describe the treelike beings.
     
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  7. Thelgin Nau-Im-Estor

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    Look up Ent and Entings in flora (and fauna... you know what i mean.)

    You'll find it has everything to do with trees. It's simple really. And genius.
     
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    Sauron is NOT a balrog, and balrogs are NOT maias.
     
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    Nearly,it was Morgoth that took the Balrogs into his service...Lesser spirits than Sauron....
     
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    i always wondered if Sauron was an elf turned to dark arts. the ring has old elvish writing on it...most of his buildings mimic to the point of mocking elvish buildings. the orcs are twisted and mutilated elves. just sort of fits.
     
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    It is told in The Silmarillionthat Sauron is a maia.
     
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    i'm pretty sure balrogs are maia of fire, according to tolkein. don't quite remember where he said it.
     
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    no matter how you look at it, we have concluded that Sauron was not a balrog, which was the question in the thread. they're sort of like second cousins, if one cousin was a super-powerful dark lord and the other cousins were much less powerful but still extremely poweful corrupted fire spirits. i suppose that would also make gandalf another one of the cousins. that would be an awkward family reunion.
    "so gandalf, i heard you and Cousin Ray killed each other last year. how is it that you managed to come back?"
     
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    No, they're not. Balrogs are one of the many creatures created/converted by Melkor/Morgoth. So, even if they once were maia, they're not anymore.
     
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    They were fire maia that Melkor/Morgoth placed in a body of shadow. But they were lower maia compared to Sauron. And he was a maia of shadow. The Balrogs and Sauron (and many other maia) were corrupted by Melkor, but I believe that they are still maia, but just in a body that he gave them, seeing as the maia are but spirits, or neutral angels at the beginning.
     
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    They're not maia anymore. Their power changed, as did their nature. And Sauron, he put most of his essence and power in the ring, so...
     
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    I'd say that they're maia in a body. The maia part is their spirit, their soul. It's as if you took a human mind (not brain) and put it into an animal. It would still be part human. In my view.
     
  18. wanderingmagus

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    like the talking dog? ...wait...
     
  19. Druid of Lûhn

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    It's as if you acted human-like... Because you'd need a human soul, and so would still be part human.
     
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    well, that dog, the one that talked a grand total of three times, acted human enough.. don't remember if it was human tho
     
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