Rheagar's son, Aegon

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  1. Crusader

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    I dnt believe its likely at all, you cant just use GRRM's nature of hating his readers to justify it because if they in an alliance are who cares? GRRMs wicked mind comes in when he kills off people we like, for somethign as neutral as martells and tyrells its really just pointless.
     
  2. Omega3R

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    i didn't use it to justify anything. i just say that it wouldn't be strange for him to make up something like that, when we least expect it. nothing more.

    and it wouldn't be neutral, you know... it could have gravest effects on entire political situation.
     
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    I mean the martell tyrell rivalry is neutral, its one of those facts or details within a story thats there to expeand things as a whole to create depth, to apply more meaning to it isnt really neccecary since it doesnt need to be any mre complex than it already is. Its nothing to spring some revelation from because the rialry is nothing we're placing any importance in.
     
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    Cru you really like to be an ass dont you? :)
    Just because you have an opinion on the series doesn't make it right. You are after all not actually GRRM or god
     
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    Im just pointing out the flaw in the arguement.



    and yes I do.......
     
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    rofl.
     
  7. Crusader

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    Also dont remind me im not god, im always insecure about that... I do try afterall.


    :p
     
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    ha. egomaniac. you can't be god. I've spoken with god and you're not it.
     
  9. Crusader

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    How do you know i wasnt faking?
     
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    I could have told you that a long time ago. And I mean a REALLY long time ago.

    Anyway, I'm pretty sure that he's correct. GRRM has enough plots/mysteries on his plate without making up "fake rivalries" between Tyrells and Martells. Besides which, the two houses have been enemies far before the Conquest. Look through the Westeros Concordance for more.
     
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    Do you really thing Mace Tyrell has the wit to fake a rivalry? He's a big, fat, dummy.
     
  12. K'shar

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    That's a good point but he's not really the one in charge of the family now is he?
     
  13. Omega3R

    Omega3R Mi ne sijemo.

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    since i found god many years ago, in the street, and icked him up, and am carrying him in my pocket ever since (he looks like a little dwarf, with big red eyes, and big pink socks), it is really impossible for you to be one.
    besides, don't make me quote aristotle here, and his writings on humanity and divine nature of humans. and if you make me go as far as wittgenstein or savigny, you'll end up being afraid. :devilbat:

    and in the end, you can be convinced that their quarrel is irrelevant, but can you be sure? absolutely sure?
    i'm not saying that you are neccessarily mistaken, you could be right, but for the sake of this converstion's dialectics, wouldn't it be most appropriate to consider all the possibilities?

    lastly, my arguments are most rarely flawful. :321:
     
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    he would not...
    but olena surely would. so would the little doran martell. we witnessed that already. i mean, we saw the way he could make intrigues.

    (i'm most sorry for my spelling today, i have no bloody idea what happened to me today)
     
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    Nor am i saying your entirely mistaken, i just love to argue.

    My in essence my point is the rivalry is minor and non essnetial to the plot, its unlikely it will play a later role so entertaining such notions is more of a waste of time than anything else, IF it ever did happen it would last all of a paragraph is a discussion chapter, since it really doesnt equate to any important happenings.
     
  16. Omega3R

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    it does not YET.
     
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    okay then lets flip the coin and indulge your idea.


    What consequences would a martell tyrell alliance have the neccecitates it being used as a plot revelation?
     
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    well thats better. Actually willing to get into a conversation instead of just being an ace.
     
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    But he's so GOOD at it. One should display one's talents to others, should one not? ;)

    I'd argue. But Crusader here is so wonderful at it. And he can deal with it (because for a change, I agree with him). So I'm off to do yet MORE procrastination of homework.


    EDIT: Oh yeah, Omega... have fun arguing with Crusader there. :p I think I've been doing it since the day I met him, and ever since, I've always had the feeling that I'm ramming my head into a brick wall. You've told us that you're a great arguer, but frankly, I haven't really seen you argue on the forum for any length of time, and I've seen HIM argue (oh God yes - usually from the opposite end, mind you, but I can still appreciate a good debate.) Try not to let him drive you nuts. ;)
     
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    It's no fun argueing with someone so... thickheaded? yeah that fits as well as anything else.
     
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