Premarital sexual relations

Discussion in 'Every Day Debating' started by Tinuviel, Dec 15, 2004.

  1. OrcShaman

    OrcShaman Star Trek addict

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    De gustibus.....
     
  2. ~Elladan~

    ~Elladan~ A Elbereth Gilthoniel

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    I'd rephrase that 'Sex is a beautiful thing between loving partners'. Sex outside of wedlock isn't, in my view, 'sleeping around', casual one night stands could be described as that.

    Again in my view; marriage is a positive in terms of couples showing commitment, but a negative when viewed as a socially enforced loop to jump through to be considered a morally acceptable couple. Why can't two people be a couple in every sense without needing the 'rubber stamp of approval' from civil or religious bodies?

    Returning to the 'temple' theme ~ if a union of two 'souls' has been made within our personal bodies (temples) why would God, if such a thing exists, be displeased? ~ why is there a need to visit a physical location/church at all if we're already in the temple of our bodies, to say words of commitment that have already been expressed ethereally by the couple? At the end of day is it 'God' that's bothered by this or some pompous old, prudish, 'religious' windbag? (No insult to anyone intended :D)
     
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    Wait! Is masturbation okay or do you have to marry your hand before that too? j/k

    On a serious note, I do believe that should a couple decide to have children than it's ideal for them to be married. I believe that if their is any love in the marrital sex than it is in the "planting of the seed", so to speak. I believe that consumation is the key to this and as such, using protection or doing the pornographic style endings are not linked with such a strong love. For you to give all your heart and body to another, I believe their has to be the attempt at fertilization, whether or not it is possible. This indicates a true love that is wiling not only to share eachother but to bring a new life into the world together. If you avoid this then there is a vital flaw in the relationship whether there is marriage or not.

    I am not against pre-marrital sex (in fact I enjoy it!) but I am against pre-marrital pregnancy. I believe, only a couple who has dedicated themselves to eachother in front of public audience (eg, a wedding) are the people who have the love to pass on to their children....
     
  4. Jendra

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    Look, guys, do whatever you want. Okay? I'm not trying to tell any of you what to do. I'm just stating my opinion based on what I believe. Could you be a little more open-minded about that?
     
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    I'm opened minded, I just have difficulty understanding this particular belief... No matter how it is explained to me, I just won't get it...
     
  6. ~Elladan~

    ~Elladan~ A Elbereth Gilthoniel

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    Jendra, just like you we're expressing an opinion. It's of no consequence to me what you do with your life (saying that in a nice way :)) nor do I believe I have been closed-mind. If anything it's those how have chosen to abstain on the basis of their religious views who are exhibiting closed-minds ~ again that's my view :D
     
  7. HumanInfiltrator

    HumanInfiltrator The Book club lady

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    After that rather interessting start I have too say that you made some very interessting points. I consider myself "married" for lack of a better word. Me and my boyfriend made a commitment too each other: for ever. Do I need to spend a lot of cash boozing up people you only ever see when somebody gets married or dies, wear a white dress, take pictures, throw rice around and sign a piece of paper too prove this? Apparently according too society I do. We've been together for six years. We have fought, made up, taken care of each other, nursed, gotten drunk, embarresed, come to the rescue, given emotional and financial support and a thousand other things. Does anybody care? No. They want too know when are we getting married and can he support me financially. So much for love.

    We've had sex, couldn't stop ourselves if we wanted too. But we try and control ourselves for the reason senin gave, we don't want babies yet. And let me tell you there is no such thing as effective birth control. I worked for a OBGYN. I have seen a woman who had a hysterectomy get pregnant. Condoms are only 80% effective and the pill 95% effective. Good grief sterilization is only 99% effective.
     
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  8. Jendra

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    So...I'm closed-minded because I choose FOR MYSELF to abstain from sex before marriage, as a total personal thing that I myself can control...what's your logic there?
     
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    Elladan,
    That makes no sense, do you even know what close-minded means?
    Close minded is not accepting another's choice because it is different from your own.
    Jendra is not condemning anyone, its her choice to wait and she is not pressuring that belief on anyone. What she is doing is the oppposite of close-mindedness.

    To be open-minded does not mean you have to try every thing in the world, it only means you accept that others have different veiws.
     
  10. ~Elladan~

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    I'm well aware of the meanings of open and closed minds Alchemist ~ it was actually Jendra who suggested that WE be open-minded when I'd suggest those without religious hang-ups are more likely to be prepared to accept the full range of options from promiscuous to abstinence. Whether you accept it or not, many if not most christians believe they hold some sort of moral high ground just because they refer to a book of fiction (the Bible) and comply with the man-made rules therein.

    I don't give a monkey's fart what you or anyone else chooses to do with their sex-life :D
     
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  11. Mububban

    Mububban Administrator Staff Member

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    Are we talking ectopic pregnancy here? Because I just can't wrap my brain around getting "legitimately" pregnant without a uterus???
     
  12. Jendra

    Jendra Jendra

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    Yeah, how'd that happen?

    Fascinating.
     
  13. HumanInfiltrator

    HumanInfiltrator The Book club lady

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    Yeah, ectopic (tube-pregnancy). It was really sad they had too terminate it, as with all ectopic pregnancies. As too how it happened? It's been 4 years and I still cant figure it out.

    I don't know if I should enter into all the phisiological details here, some people may be offended by me using the correct and detailed biological terms. Does a mod have any opinion on this?
     
  14. Jendra

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    What's wrong with the biological terms? They're not offensive...joking immature nicknames can be, but there's not a thing wrong with biology.
     
  15. Mububban

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    Well this mod doesn't have a problem, but that's just me. I'd be interestedto learn more via private message but I don't think it's strictly relevant to the topic, so best to PM not post it in the thread.
     
  16. Alchemist

    Alchemist The Fighters Guide House Member

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    Come on now, say it with me everyone

    "Penis, penis, penis. Vagina, vagina, vagina."

    lol sorry, had too.
     
  17. Jendra

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    If you don't give a monkey's fart, then why are you debating?