Of Aragorn's Kingship

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  1. Lady_of_Shalott

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    I think they're both equally bad. Running away and hiding are basically the same thing, because either way they do nothing.
     
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    Of course the dwarves never really played any significant role in any battle (excluding Dain in the Battle of 5 armies). They had always been in hiding. I wonder if the dwarves fought at the Last Alliance? I don't seem to remember them being mentioned. The elves had always played a role in most of Middle Earth's problems.

    But like LadyofShalot said, when it comes down to it, their both equally in the wrong.
     
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    A few dwarves were in the Battle of the Last Alliance. I remember reading that.
    But then look at their past. They have reasons not to be invovled with anyone else. I forget exactly what happened but when they were born before elves were, there was that huge issue and all
     
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    Yeah, Eru kinda got mad at Aule because the elves were to be the firstborn, and he was about to destroy them, but was overcame with sympathy, so he put them to sleep, not to awake them till after the elves were created.
     
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    And Eule say that they would be the complete opposite and therefore have no love or something like that.
     
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    well actually, elves were almost always in a scene in the books, it was the movies that had very little of the elves in them. because if you think about it, the hobbits (with or without anyone else) had visited quite a few more places that had elves in it than the movies provide....
     
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    I agree to an extent, however, even in the book they remained somewhat distant from the actual conflict. Maybe some behind the scenes stuff but no support when it came time defend Middle Earth.
     
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    right, and on that level I agree, but if you think about it, elves were tired of saving the humans bums all the time, you know? And they knew they would never get their respect for it in the end
     
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    I don't think elves had to save humans all the time. It was the humans who aided elves...the ones that stayed on the good side.
     
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    Yus, and there were a few who stayed and fought for their freedom, and the elves were happy for them. remember what that dude in Lothlorien in the books said to the fellowship after he removes their blindfolds. He says approximately: "No Man nor Dwarf had passed through the gates of Lothlorien alive, nor will there be after you" so elves didn't like humans meddling in their affairs
     
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    (Not to get off topic) but that qoute could also been interpeted as that elf (I'm thinking Haldir, but not 100% sure) knew the time of the elves was fading, and would soon be no more. A foreshadow. Buts it is up to interpetation.

    Anyways I kinda agree with what you said. True enough that they helped out more than the movie provides, but they still were reserved compared to how they once were. The conflict wasn't where they were significant.
     
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    hehehe yeah, because in the long run, elves had it worse than men because most of them died from grief because all their friends died....meh off topic but ok....

    Elves did not run all the time, and besides, elves were peacefull creatures, they didn't want to go to war unless they had to.

    Anyways the topic is Of Aragorn's Kingship and I have been 100% off topic. I think Aragorn didn't want it, until he knew if he didn't do it, nobody would....
     
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    Aragorn wanted to be king...so he could be with Arwen awwwww....:p
     
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    well, it's not extremely true, but I'm sure that was one of his reasons
     
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    Actually in the book that was his main reason since Elrond told Arwen he would settle for no less than a King.
     
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    hmmm did he really?? I must reread them then, cause I don't remember that part...
     
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    It was in the appendixes I believe.
     
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    oh hehe, I never read the appendixes, they looked boring :p
     
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    Appendix's are interesting:) You should try them out. If you like the appendix's then Unfinished Tales is a JRRT book you should consider. Very, very interesting.
     
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    Hmm, I believe you refer to events in the 1st age. During the 1st age the Elves were stronger than the men, with the possible exception of Hurin's folk. They had also been around longer at this point. The elves awoke first, giving them a head start.

    Remember though that in the 2nd age it was the elves who sought the aid of men. Gil-Galad asked for help from the Numenorians, without them Sauron would not have been defeated in the 2nd age. So who saved who's Bum??

    The 3rd age definately belonged to the men. Heck I can't even think of any major military involvement the Elves had after the seige of Barah-Dur ended.