Nazguls

Discussion in 'Books' started by Demanor, Jun 26, 2005.

  1. Ser Land

    Ser Land New Member

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    That is not true. The only numenorien who was an elf was Elros, Elrond's twin brother, who had elven blood, although he wasn't a "pure" elf. However, at the end of the First Era, it was given to the sons of Ëarendil(Elros and Elrond) the power to choose whether they would want to be elf or man. Elrond chose to be an elf, while his brother chose to be a man. Then, Elros became the first king of Númenor and lived for over 500 years.
     
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    Necromancer Ranger of Ithilien

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    Oh I see. So all of the Dunedain were taller and fairer and lived longer, when their population was isolated to Numenor. But when they came to middle earth they split into different factions and became evil, losing these traits. The Dunedain chieftains of Elendil's line all had an unnatural longevity because they're the last of the pure Dunedain, from Numenor. Is that right?
     
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    Druid of Lûhn The Little Lamb.

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    Numenor was created as an island for a race of purer men, who were taller, could see further, were stronger, could live longer, ... than normal men. But Sauron came to them and "seduced" them and they started to become corrupt and raid the coast of the other men, and enslave them. This was Harad that they were raiding. Because of this, they started to lose their longevity, ... But some staid faithful, and opposed the king and I think were banished to Middle-Earth - a father and two sons. The father I think went to the north and led became known the Dunedain with his youngest son, while the oldest created Minas-Ithil -Anor and was still known as Numenorean (or the other way round). The other Numenoreans were the Black Numenoreans, who became the chieftains of Harad and Rhûn when they went there after their island was drowned in the flood that took Beleriand aswell.

    That is what I remember, but I read the Silmarillion about two years ago.
     
  4. MeltingRoses

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    Even though they never stated that Merry's sword was special which aided in defeating the Witchking, it doens't really put down the movie. Anyone who has read the books will know what's going on and didn't Merry's sword like melt or vanish or disintegrate after he stabbed the Witchking?
     
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    It makes much more sense for eowyn killing witch king, this merry magical theory doesn't really works

    the main thing here is the prophecy, it was explicitly told than witch king could not die from man's hand.

    someone has said that merry was not man, well what is the world for male hobbit? it makes much more sense that whoever made the prophecy meant that Witch king would not fall by the hand of Male (which all warriors were back than, so unless witch king got into fight over sandwich in kitchen that he would be fine).

    another problem is that, even though the sword where enchanted, there were many swords with "powers", and the major hole in theory is Could have a Normal Man with same sword have killed witch king, if yes prophecy doesn't make sense at all. All i want to say it was not about sword it was about one yielding it
     
  6. wanderingmagus

    wanderingmagus King Anakin's Royal Advisor, Constantly Around :D

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    To be clear, this is the prophecy word for word:

    the Witch-king met his doom at the hands of a woman and a Hobbit, but Merry did not kill him, the combination of a woman and a sword wrought for the sole purpose of undoing the sorceries of unlife destroyed the corporeal form of the witch-king and banished him from this plane of existance.



    According to the book,

    So magic did indeed play a role in the witch-king's demise.
     
  7. Ser Land

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    You´re not getting it right. Glorfindel predicted that it would be Eowyn who would kill the Witch King. However, it wasn´t his prediction that made it possible to Eowyn to kill the Nazgûl's leader. She killed him because she hit him in his "soft spot".