Minor Theories

Discussion in 'Speculation' started by Unraveller, Sep 21, 2004.

  1. Unraveller

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    I didn't use the word 'if' once!

    It has to happen somehow, that much is certain. Maybe someone'll go through one of the doorways and see her/ask about/for her.

    Can you imagine the uproar if he finished the series without writing any more about her?

    And she's the key to victory at TG.
     
  2. Elan Morin Tedronai

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    Hahha, that would be pretty funny if she didn't come back. However, I dont see her as being the "key to victory" at Tarmon Gai'don. Rand is the Creators Champion, not Moiraine.
     
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    Min's Viewing, he will certainly fail without her. She has to come back. I kinda wish she didn't though.
     
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    My point is that there is the possibility that Min's viewing could mean something other than Moiraine actually being present when TG comes. Her viewing said that Rand needed Moiraine to succeed. That could pan out to be a variety of things. Perhaps it is some lesson she taught him, or warning she gave him . . . like not trusting Aes Sedai. Maybe it is the memory of her and his feeling of loss for her death. I'm not saying she won't be back, I just think that there could be other possibilities.
     
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    thats a good point, but i dont think the thing would be 'not trusting aes sedai', after all, can you think of anyone who does?
     
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    Or maybe not distrusting ALL Aes Sedai but being VERY careful about the ones he does trust.

    The other main point in favour of her return is that she knows who her husband will be, she hasn't gotten married yet (unless she's now Mrs. 'Finn) so she has to return.
     
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    That's a good point about the husband thing. I forgot about that entirely until now.
     
  8. Elan Morin Tedronai

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    That husband thing is a bit iffy though. Yeah she knew who her husband would be. Then she died. So it won't happen. If things turned out differently that day, then she would probably marry Thom, or someone else.

    Still. She is coming back.
     
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    RJ promised more on Mat's memories on in his in the next book. to me this means a conclusion of this storyline in general. maybe not the return of Moiraine but (and i could be way wrong here so feel free to contradict) but wasnt there a female character where "Cyndane's" weaves melted around at the end of book 9 (WH) just like the way weaves melt around Mat... see where im going with this... could be totally wrong though... thoughts please?
     
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    That was Alivia, she was wearing Nynaeve's ter'angreal jewellery collection. One of the pieces acts the same way as Mat's. But the only character who is definitely associated with Moiraine's return is Thom.
     
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    well RJ defo promised that we'd see a resolution on mat's memories et al. :p
     
  12. Elan Morin Tedronai

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    Correct me if im wrong but i believe RJ said "Atleast a partial answer to that will be coming in the next main sequence book." So, I don't think that story line will end just yet. Only time will tell, I guess.
     
  13. Unraveller

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    Right, I think the three guys' storylines are converging and will all come to conclusion at the same time, probably TG. He'll probably get more info (perhaps during the rescue of Moiraine) and take a book to think about it. He's also going to figure out Auldra's Bellfounder riddle, that may be the progression RJ referred to.
     
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    yeah, the colours flashing in mat and perrins heads hints towards their ta'varen-ness needing them to rejoin with Rand soon, hopefully halfway through 11 leading to the finale of TG but i suppose only time will tell.
     
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    I reckon they may only meet up again in TG, that way they'll be losing and start to win when they join up. Or they'll meet up and seperate again.
     
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    at least 1 character has to die, if not several... will it be Rand?

    if not who else do we think will bite the old bullet?
     
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    Probably Gawyn and maybe Min.
     
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    Rand is prophecied to spill his blood on the rocks of shayol ghul, which everyone thinks means he'll die fighting the dark one, so if rand died it wouldnt be too much of a spoiler.

    But hey, Lews Therin didnt die fighting the dark one and he sealed the bore, I think it will just be some reference to his old wound/s opening during the later stages of TG, with all the strain of fighting a near onmipotent foe.
     
  19. Elan Morin Tedronai

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    I'm not taking this one literally, I believe by "his blood," the prophecies refer to the Aiel. His family, ie. His blood. They will die in droves at Tarmon Gai'don, hence a "remnant of a remnant" will be left. There. I just fulfilled two prophecies. ;)
     
  20. Unraveller

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    Right, 'his blood' could mean many, many things. Even Slayer shares a blood bond with Rand, he could kill him before descending to the Pit of Doom.