Languages

Discussion in 'Books' started by Viggy, Feb 12, 2009.

  1. Viggy

    Viggy New Member

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    Does anyone else find it completely amazing and mind boggling that he could create entire languages like that?
     
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    who are you referring to?
     
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    I imagine he is referring to J. R. R. Tolkien.
    Who was of course a linguistics expert, and fluent in many languages.
    As well as being a professor in both Anglo-Saxon history and English language and lit.
     
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    Yeah I was. sorry about that. And... I'm a girl lol. But I just think it's incredible, that someone can be so persistant to learn so much and apply it so well.
     
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    When I heard the elves speak in the movies their speech just seemed so natural, to roll from the tongue, and it could pass as a legitimate language of non-middle earth or.. our world. Wow if Tolkein could have met someone just as brilliant as himself in terms of languages, they could have communicated in ways only the two of them could understand, their own shared little world, how fun! A long time ago I watched a documentary about twins that were so close they created a language for themselves, so I guess it can be done. But yes, incredible Tolkein could create so many... if only I had the concentration to read his books.
     
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    I think I saw that documentary. Have you ever seen that movie with Jodie Foster and she had a twin that died? I forget what it's called.
     
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    Druid of Lûhn The Little Lamb.

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    the language is so full, it's got grammar and everything, not just words you simply translate. I'm trying to learn Sindarin (Elvish of Middle-Earth) but am getting nowhere because I need grammar for it. It was probably easier for John Ronald Reuel Tolkien because he was a professor of Anglo-Saxon (and knew their language - fluently), of Old Norse (and could speak that fluently) and of English litterature (philology - and could speak English fluently HAHA)
     
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    Necromancer Ranger of Ithilien

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    Yeah, it's pretty incredible. However Tolkien never finished the Elf language.
     
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    Actually, the elvish languages were based in languages from our world. Languages like finnish and irish. Though that doesn't lessen his creative genious at all. All languages have roots in other languages.
     
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    Tolkein was amazing, I don't dispute that, but creating a language is not all so difficult as you imagine. Once basic grammar has been covered, all it takes is the creativity of the words that will be used. It's no less amazing than creating the beautiful and intriguing world that he did, or the linguists who can speak arcane languages fluently [like he can anyway xD] or speak loads of languages fluently. Just takes creativity and a linguistic mind I guess.
     
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    Necromancer Ranger of Ithilien

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    No, it's much harder than you appear to think it is, i'm sure
     
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    olivia_the_lamb Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm pretty sure creating a full language with grammar techniques, pronunciation, etc the way Tolkein did would take years.

    James Cameron created a language for Avatar... the whole process of that film took 10 years, I'm sure the language aspect took quite a while.
     
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    I know that for the Klingon language for Star Trek they found an obscure Hun dialect and modified it to suit their needs.
     
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    yes, tolkien created in fact multiple languages for his saga, including the different runes used by sauron, elves, dwarves, and more ancient speeches. i think it took him a few decades, since he'd already been working on setting the stage quite a while before taking up fotr.