Lancelot and Guinevere

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  1. Lady_of_Shalott

    Lady_of_Shalott Weaving the Magic Web

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    What do you think? Was it a scandalous affair, or a romantic love story?

    I personally think it was scandalous. I mean, really! And if it really was love at first sight and all that, don't you think Lancelot would have said something BEFORE she married Arthur?
     
  2. Gûd Daedheloth

    Gûd Daedheloth Foe of Morgoth's Realm

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    Depends on which version of the story you go by. I like the one where Lancelot and Guinevere controlled themselves and stayed loyal to Arthur, but Sir Modred set it up so it looked like they betrayed Arthur, thus setting up the civil war that eventually destroyed Camelot.
     
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    Which book was that? I'd like to read it.
     
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    Gûd Daedheloth Foe of Morgoth's Realm

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    It's in the Great Illustrated Classic version (aka Abridged Version) of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. Pretty easy read, but still good.
     
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    From the few versions I have experienced, Merlin forewarns Arthur about Lancelot and Guinevere's love, and how it will cause great harm. Also, in one of the versions I read, Arthur marries Guinevere before Lancelot comes into the picture.
     
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    I think it was a tragic romance.

    If you have watched the movie The First Knight (Sean Connery is King Arthur and Richard Gere is Lancelot ) Lancelot does proclaim his love for Guinevere before she weds Arthur. Merlin told Arthur that this would cause problems and Arthur made Merlin use his magic to make Guinevere marry him instead, knowing what would happen, but his lust for her made him go blindly. (Excalibur)
     
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    I also like the version where they lusted after each other, but remained loyal to Arthur, and were set up by Mordred. I never liked Lancelot, though. Too arrogant, perhaps.
     
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    I also liked the version where they stayed loyal to Aurthur, but Arthur made them sleep together because he thought he coudn't make an heir for his thrown. So all 3 crawled into bed, to beget an heir in the royal bed LOL, now that is traggic (Mists of Avalon)
     
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    In one of my favorites, Guinevere and Lancelot were in love early on, and Arthur was falling for Guinevere but had no idea that his best friend was already in love with her. Then Merlin manipulated the situation in order for Arthur and Guinevere to marry and unite Northern and Southern Britain. Arthur was under the impression that Guinevere was in love with him, even though she only saw him as a friend. Lancelot says nothing when he learns that they are to be married, because he is loyal to the king and to his friend. Arthur only finds out about all this on his wedding night. From there on out in the story, Guinevere and Lancelot remain faithful to Arthur and don't act on their feelings. Except years later Mordred tricks them into meeting and exposing "their affair" in order to weaken Arthur further (who he's already been slowly poisoning) and thus claim the throne as Arthur's only heir.

    So in that case.... it was a tragic love story.
     
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    Starknight: That one sounds quite interesting. What was the title and author?
     
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    That was from Excalibur! by Gil Kane and John Jakes. It's an older book (the copyright in mine is 1980) but very much worth reading if you can find it.
     
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    I'll check out a couple used book stores. We don't have one in town, but the next time I go to a larger city I'll keep an eye out for it.
     
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    It was a love story with scandalous affair. Lancelot and Guenevere were both loyal to aurthur. And for the time, when guenevere agreed to marry Aurthur, that was the way it had to be. There was no changing her mind. She was supposed to marry him. thus the down fall of Camelot.. :)
     
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    I go by the version where Lancelot and Guinevere are just very friendly towards each other they were in a platonic relationship. But Modred made Arthur feel jealous, who almost burn guinevere to death.
     
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    These happens too, in some legends I have read. A king was cursed by a sage, that he will not be able to produce seeds, so he arranged for a copulation to take place between his wife and a celestial being.

    Seems disgusating in our modern context. But I guess that the ancinets saw it okay. People's way of thinking changes greatly over time and society. So what is okay for them is ridiculous to us and vice-versa.
     
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    There's a version where Arthur almost burns Guinevere to death? Woah. Which one is that?
     
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    Sigh...this may seem a bit blunt but.

    Lancelot should be beheaded...along with Guinevere.

    For me Lancelot hardly deserves to be called a knight. But I don't want to make a mass discussion that may cause cyber lynching of myself...so I won't give any reasons.
     
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    I had no idea there were so many versions! This is very interesting! I always thought of it as a scandolous affair...
     
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    It's a affair through and through...you have a husband (arthur) and you go off with some other guy...hmm affair...I think so :p
     
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    In the Pendragon Cycle by Stephen Lawhead, Guinevere (Gwenhwyvar) is Irish. Her father offered her to Arthur for tribute. Merlin said not to accept her but Arthur did anyway. They got married at Arthur's second kingmaking. She is also a war leader. Lancelot (Llenlleawg) was her father's champion and Gwenhwyvar's guardian. There was no love bond between them whatsoever. I have never heard of one til now.
     
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