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  1. Turin

    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    Just thinking of Sauron being destroyed at the end of the 3rd age. He was defeated a couple of times throughout history and always managed to come back and cause more trouble.

    I just wonder if JRRT would continued to write this stuff would Sauron have made another appearance somewhere along the lines?
     
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    no, his essance was in the ring, he was completely banished and destroyed, which was not before, his spirit/essance survived due to the ring
     
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    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    I understand that, but I still have the thought that he was Maia, and probably could not be totaly destroyed.

    I also wonder what "Banished" means. Was he cast into the void with his boss? HMM.
     
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    As asgath said though he put his whole being into the ring, that in a way would make him like a mortal if the ring was destroyed because by destroying the ring you were destroying his being.

    And yah I think he would be banished to the void.
     
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    void is a good word VOID!! sounds very drammatic!!, sorry lil off topic.
     
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    Yeah, I suppose he would be in the Void.

    In a book I bought last winter with information about LotR. "The Magical World of The Lord of the Rings" I think it was called. Anyways, their was a brief F.Y.I. on the side that talked about how Tolkien was considering writing another story after LotR dealing with Gondor (I think), but then discarded it. When I find the time I will type it up. It was pretty interesting.
     
  7. Turin

    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    cool, i look forward to it. That would be a good book to read. Maybe CT will come across it.
     
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    The Magical Worlds of The Lord of the Rings by David Colbert

     
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    Too bad...that sounds quite interesting actually!
     
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    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    kind of a new twist on things
     
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    I doubt if any of it will ever be released, as it would of been most likely included in HoME. There probably wasn't enough written, I suspect.
     
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    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    I suppose you are right. Though I often wonder how vast the writtings of JRRT actually are, by this I mean, how much has never been published.
     
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    Indeed. Revisions after revisions after revisions. Drafts after drafts after drafts. Christopher Tolkien had a big job in creating what is actually in HoME and UT.
     
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    I'd love to sift through it all. The rough drafts would be interesting, because you could see what he changed and how he changed them. I mean, the rough drafts are the construction of the masterpiece. It would be like watching someone paint a painting in stages...
     
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    good analogy. I'd love to sit in Tolkiens library for about a month!
     
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    I wish Chris Tolkien would get on the ball and release the volumes of Elvish still unpublished. It is hard to express with only 5000 words to work with.