How much did Gandalf know?

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  1. mithrandir

    mithrandir Gentleman Scholar

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    Re-reading FOTR and found this very interesting... When Galdalf is telling Frodo he must leave the shire with the ring he says to Frodo: "It may be your task to find the Cracks of Doom." and then goes on to say that Frodo isn't ready for that task yet. (To which Frodo quickly agrees). Makes we wonder just how much Gandalf knew at this stage. Opinions? Thoughts?
     
  2. Strider

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    I don't think he knew that much about the One Ring. Which is why he had to leave and find out more.
     
  3. Eàmanë

    Eàmanë formally Nevaeh

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    Same here. I mean, I think he knew some information, knowing that it was dangerous, but I think he didn't know quite enough at that point. Which, like Strider said, is why he went to find out more.
     
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    One of the problems with the Istari that I find is that they had beyond enough time to deal with Sauron. But in the end, they didn't start dealing with him till not to long before War of the Ring. It always puzzled me why they wouldn't of researched the ring and its history more in the many years they had which were wasted. Sure they might of thought it was lost, but that was no reason not to of known anything about it.
     
  5. mithrandir

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    You're right Radagast. It's funny how being "lost" for so many years seemed acceptable and no one worried about it, but then at the Council of Elrond when the suggestion was made to cast the ring into the sea so that it would be lost, the idea to effectively lose the ring again was dismissed as unacceptable.

    One would think that a search would have started soon after Isuldur's death and the disappearance of the ring.
     
  6. byzantine warrior

    byzantine warrior Autokratos Konstantinou

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    I think one of the main reasons that the istari didint do anything is saruman. look what happened to saruman when he studied the ring
     
  7. Narsil's weilder

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    A valid point. I think to search and study the ring was to become a slave of it in one form or another.
     
  8. Turin

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    I think that the Istari had different purposes and specialties. Saruman DID research Sauron and the ring. He was supposed to be the foremost expert on it. He ended up joining the bad guys though. Gandalf spent his time getting to know the people of Middle earth.

    Still can't argue the fact that they could have better utilized the 2,500 years between Isildur's death and Gollum's finding of the ring. Send out the search parties someone.
     
  9. byzantine warrior

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    Yes but its not like they had scuba or anyhing to do extensive diving;)
     
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    Turin Valar Morghulis

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    true, but the Istari have been know to enlist the aid on animals. Maybe a bluegil coulda helped.
     
  11. Radagast

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    That was Radagasts fault. Stupid Radagast...

    And I wonder why they had thought it was lost in the sea anyway. Could they not also research Isildur's death and maybe find some connections to it being in the Anduin?
     
  12. Lady_of_Shalott

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    Don't beat yourself up... ;)

    I agree though. How dumb were these supposedly wise wizards?!
     
  13. Turin

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    Well, aside from Radagast, Gandalf had some influence over animals as well.

    Regaurding Isildur . . . I think the place of his death was a mystery for a long time.
     
  14. Feanor

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    the istari weren't in middle earth at the start of the third age. they appeared once Sauron started to have an influence in the world again around T.A. 1000 according to Appendix B of RotK
     
  15. mithrandir

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    Why not the elves then? Elrond certainly seemed upset that Isildur hadn't destroyed the ring, but they didn't seem very concerned once the ring vanished.