Discussion in 'Movies' started by Aragorn Elessar, Feb 28, 2004.
I'm always crazy surprised by mistakes like this in these types of movies. Peter Jackson did SO much preproduction for this film, the behind the scenes features show crazy long storyboards and shot lists... You would think there would be an entire crew dedicated to continuity.
cool a revived thread
Question about The Return of the King film.
The witchking breaks Gandalf's new staff, how was he able to do this and does Gandalf ever get a new staff? I don't recall.
He really doesn't have much luck with those, maybe he should get a wand... lol
even gandalf was afraid of meeting the witch-king if you recall. and other lesser beings have cowed greater beings in the past.. elves have fought Ainur, if you recall, and successfully at that.
As for his new staff, the elves probably made it.
well all that was cause of prophecy than no man could kill Witch King
though the weird thing is that in movie aragorn kicked his and most of others asses (pardon my french) in single battle ( which didn't make any sense at all), as far as i remember in book the battle was actually between Gandalf and Ringbearer ( though it is not mentioned if Witch King was present) the battle is not described itself, it is only seen by frodo and sam ( as far as i remember) like thunder striking in same place over and over again and than Gandalf tell them later that he confronted them (gosh, i really hope my memory isn't just making this up)
So yeah movie ( as much as i love it, actually being my favorite movie of all times) doesn't really does a good job describing Ringbearers correctly, they are grossly underpowered in first part
yeah I agree about staff, unless it was send by valars by post, they are the only ones who could have made such thing
the ringwraiths are quite powerful, and i agree that the movie seems to short-change their power a lot. you can't just run them off like shadows with a little torch. not even if you're the true and rightful king.
they're kings of old with a couple thousand years of fighting experience and WEARING THE NINE RINGS for heaven's sake. NINE RINGS OF POWER. you don't just go about frightening them with a torch and a sword.
And before they became wraiths they were KINGS. now how does one become and stay king? by being the best of the best. the cream of the crop. the alpha. the warrior who killed everyone else until nobody contradicted him.
well his hat didn't come off from being knocked around. he left it with his horse. if you remember before they even went in the tower they were walking around outside and gandalf didn't have his hat.
Gandalf isn't a man though so why would he be afraid because of the prophecy? He's a Maiar right? Or something special sent by Valar along with the 4 other wizards. They are closer to lords than mankind. I'm 90% sure they're Maiars though.
Lol, yeah, he gets another one later, but not till after the ring is destroyed. You see him with a new staff at the Grey Havens.
Honestly, I remember noticing this too, though it didn't really bother me all that much. The one issue for me (which I can easily ignore, assuming the movie has different magic rules from the book...even Tolkien leaves this question unanswered mind you) is that breaking a staff was symbolic of stripping a wizard of his power. At least as far as I can see. Before Gandalf confronts him for the second time in Isengard, he warns the Fellowship he could pour down fire on them if they're not careful. That seems like magic to me. But in every scene after Gandalf broke Saruman's staff, he is reduced to a bitter, wandering old man who very clearly couldn't do much to attack them. Towards the end at the Scouring of the Shire, I think it's even explicitly mentioned he has lost his powers - except for his voice.
Another poster mentioned it might be symbolic, and that's a definite possibility, but the fact it all happened around the time Gandalf broke his staff made me think it was literal too.
Gandalf broke Saruman's staff with the will of the Valar; Saruman was stripped of his powers and the breaking of the staff was only symbolic.
Because it was the Witch-King that broke Gandalf's staff, it was not the same as for Saruman, as the Istarí were created by Illúvatar and can only have their power removed by him. The breaking of Gandalf's staff was therefore a simply like breaking any old staff. Gandalf gets one back later, probably from Oromë.
any wizard worth his salt would have more than one staff.
How did Gandalf get his staff back?
My guess is pipe weed is Middle Earth's equivalent to Viagra.
ebay is how he got it back.
Talking about your version Jake: a guy in the US lost his penis to flesh-eating bacteria, and when he complained he was kicked out o the country. I wonder what's worse...
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