How did Gandalf get his staff back?

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  1. Aragorn Elessar

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    How did Gandalf get his staff back when he leaves Orthanc? In the book it was not mentioned that his staff was taken or he dropped it or any other way that he might have lost it, so naturally it didn't say anything about getting it back.

    But in the movie Saruman took it with his Dark Side Force powers, and Gandalf flew away from Orthanc without the staff on the eagle's back.

    So how/when did he get it back, as he was holding it again in Rivendell? Are we supposed to assume that he just made another one that's exactly the same? :jawa:
     
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    That is a very good question actually (one that I never thought about until now). I guess that it's just one of those things that PJ didn't consider when he did that scene.
    *scratches head* How DID he get his staff back? lol
     
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    I wondered the same thing

    the only solution that i could come up with is that its Gandalf's staff...Gandalf is a wizard...Glamdring is Gandalf's sword...Gandalf is a wizard...same with his pipe...

    he just summoned it i guess...?

    or maybe, since its Gandalfs, Saruman had no use for it, and didnt try to stop it...ill shut up before i say something else stupid

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    Well JRRT did make other mistakes, forgeting things and not working them out properly. I would say, bookwise, that after his imprisenment in orthanc that he made another one. Because I seem to remember saruman breaking his staff, and thats why later Gnadalf broke his. I am not sure on this though.... moviewise, pf goffed, as usual:)
     
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    The staff Gandalf looses to Saruman at Orthanc is differrent than the one he has afterward, that is up until he becomes GTW and then he gets another one that is obviously differrent. I don't have any pics but if you have the FOTR EE DVD there are pictures in the galleries of the two staffs.

    The first one, the one he looses to Saruman, has Gandalf's pipe slipped between the branches and a leather pouch (I would guess pipe weed) tied to the top.

    The second is the one he has is the one with the glowing stone he has in moria.
     
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    Ya your write, the second one had carvings where the first one didn't. We can see it when pippin is holding it in moria.
     
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    well thats solved...but what about his pipe and hat?

    i would assume that he just got another pipe, but did they just make another hat...?

    or is that just something that PJ put in the movie?
     
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    Gandalf in the book diod not get seperated from his hat because, he was not flown to the top of Orthanc, there was no spiffy staff fight and stuff, so gandalf did not get the crap beat out of him and his hat knocked off.
     
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    As for Glamdring... I think I read somewhere that he left it in either Rivendell or Minas Tirith before going to Isengard, just to be safe... now I don't remember reading it in FOTR, then I might just be careless and missed that part. Or did I read about that in the Appendix?
     
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    Ok dudes this is how it went. IN FOTR book gandalf hasa his staff but is powerless against Saruman.

    -dt
     
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    Concerning glamdring he never even brought that to isengard. I remember a thread discussing the sword that can be seen as he rides up to isegard, and it is clearly not glamdring.
     
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    Found where I read about the Glamdring... from the Weapons and Warfare book:

    "Gandalf carried Glamdring with im thourghout the War of the Ring, except when he visited Saruman at Orthanc, where perhaps some foresight made him leave it behind, fortuitously storing it in Rivendell."

    Now of course this W&W book concerns only what happens in the movie, such as history and sequence of events, and not what's actually in the book.

    I'm still reading TTT, but had finished the Appendix, and there was no mention about either the staff nor Glamdring regarding Orthanc. I think it's just one of the things that Tolkien over looked that the movie continuity had to cope with.
     
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    He got a new staff at rivendell I believe I'm not sure though
     
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    I recall in FOTR the book that Frodo had a dream prior to getting to Bree I think wherein he saw Gandalf on Orthanc with his staff.

    In response to a post above, In FOTR the movie, and the staff that Saruman took from Fandalf had the crystal in the top. You can see it right after Saruman pulls Gandalf's staff from him and is menacingly approaching Gandalf with both staffs held at his side.

    This was an annoying little miss by PJ, but I try to tell myself that 1. It is still a really fine movie and 2. To maintain that sense of internal consistency, I like to think that Gandalf has the power to make his own staff and that the staff is more like a tool that gains it's power from the wielder rather than having some specific powers of it's own. The design of the staff is like a badge or rank symbol and can change. That's why I think his shattering Saruman's staff (and the shattereing of his staff by the Witch King for that matter) was more symbolic than a true destruction of some of Saruman's power, though I may be wrong as I haven't read other than LOTR and the Hobbit.
     
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    I'm glad i'm not the only one who noticed that, I have no clue, I guess just one of the few messups of the Script Supervisers
     
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    Great post.:draught:
    I believe that the staff is symbolic too. However, the staff is channeling the magic of the wizard (when Ganfalf meets Théoden in book two, Grima the Wormtongue informs us that it's a stupid thing to do, let a wizard confront you wielding his staff).
    Not that without the staff they had no power at all, but with it they could channel it much easier. That's what I believe.
    Don't forget that wizards were Maiar in human or elven form. They didn't use magic but "commands"
     
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    Emmmm.... Maybe that he is a Maia
     
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