`Hi, I make my first post here`

Discussion in 'Every Day Debating' started by Turambar, May 21, 2006.

  1. Turambar

    Turambar Harebrained Staff Member

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    Hello dear TFF´ers,

    I am getting more and more frustrated with the flood of newcomers to this site start off with lieing down their own visions onto the world in the first two or three posts. I mean, Im not at all against open debate, but we happen to be a fantasy community - not a debate forum with a light inclinement towards fantasy.

    Agreed, the past few weeks I have been concentrating on this section of the forum (though keeping an eye on other matters). But I simply don´t know what to do with all these new people who give their opinion in matters. I mean, I don´t necesserally have anything against them but I don´t feel like their part of the community either, with a post count of 4. And excuse me, but I don´t always feel obliged to answer to them...

    I know this sounds pretty xenophobic. Don´t get me wrong, I don´t have anything against new people genuinely interested in fantasy but I really do get the feeling people join TFF to debate. Which would be more then acceptable if this were a debate forum. But this happens to be the fantasy forum.

    For all those entertaining debate with little to no affection to fantasy:

    www.thedebateforum.com

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    Am I the only one who feels like this?
    Am I indeed too xenophobic?
    And please point me wrong, you inititiates - tell me you came for the fantasy and tried to profile yourself a bit in this subforum...

    I thank you all
     
  2. Dephere

    Dephere New Member

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    Well, I guess I'm safe. I hardly ever venture into the domains of debate and I seriously doubt that people join for the sole purpose of debating, but it is one of the more active sections. If people want to talk, then they're bound to wander over here.
     
  3. Bard

    Bard Erchamion

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    Think I'm worthy of debating?
     
  4. Crusader

    Crusader Disturber of the Peace

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    Ive notices one or two posts in the debate section that dont seem to be motivated by any form or rational debate, but i dont think its any kind of influx. maybe im just not in those debates.
     
  5. Alchemist

    Alchemist The Fighters Guide House Member

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    While alot, if not most of my posts are in the debate forum, I do post in others. I just have yet to find things "new" to talk about in fantasy. Guess my main attraction to this part is the knowledge gained from other members, and the chance to compare or debate knowledge of certain aspects.
     
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    Bard Erchamion

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    Same here, this is part of a fantasy oriented forum, but this section is the highlight of my forum experience. I also learn a good bit about things in the world today...
     
  7. Skyanide

    Skyanide The Big Meanie Staff Member

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    This section of the forum has always been open to debate, whether it is fantasy-related or not.

    People join forums for a myriad of reasons -- to debate, spam, to read.

    This one is no different.
     
  8. Alchemist

    Alchemist The Fighters Guide House Member

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    Guess you can say that there are more things out there than fantasy.
     
  9. Mububban

    Mububban Administrator Staff Member

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    I joined for the LOTR news, but I've stayed for the debates, amongst other sections. I'm currently seeing the slow death by apathy of another large forum, because its main reason for being is rather narrow in focus, and now that it's lost steam, it's just drifting away.

    I'm glad TFF has enough variety to still entice new members, and keep the old ones coming back.
     
  10. Turambar

    Turambar Harebrained Staff Member

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    Hmm yes...

    So what would you say the higher goal of TFF is then?

    Confusius once said: "Size doesn't matter", I mean, it TFF can't merely exist to become the largest forum on the web, I think. However, I do understand that continuity is quite important, ie have at least as much fresh blood in relation to slackers and leavers.

    But maybe TFF does need a mission statement. Like... "The goal of www.thefantasyforum.com is to bring together people interested in fantasy of all sorts and offer space to discuss fantasy and the passion for it - as well as building a community of people with interest for fantasy". It would be easy to have a new sticky in News and announcements to tell what TFF actually is...

    But the funny thing is that I can't see how general debate will ever fall in a three line mission statement. It's not really a "goal" of TFF, far as I can see, to offer space to debate. It's merely an extension of this (pretty nice) forum.

    And this is the reason why I frown upon people just arriving and starting a rampage on /debate right away.

    but then again, who am I?
     
  11. Skyanide

    Skyanide The Big Meanie Staff Member

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    Why is a mission statement necessary? Are we on a mission? To define a forum goal also sets boundaries and stifles original thought. This forum has grown and changed somewhat since its inception. Had we an original "mission statement", we may not have the forum we have now.

    Ah, but you see, by offering a place to debate also keeps arguments from migrating to more fantasy-focused sections. As does the SPAM section.

    At one time, you were just a noob as well. Remember?

    This was your 19th post here, Your first 5 were in the weapon's section then you went away for 2 months, then the next 4 were in books and 4 were in spam. You posted in the debates section the third day after you come back.

    I can only conclude is that you are indeed xenophobic. :p
     
  12. Wolfguard

    Wolfguard Your own personal Jesus

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    Option 1: Close the debate forum.

    Option 2: Avoid the debate forum.

    Option 3: Scroll past "newbie" posts when choosing to click on debate forum.

    Option 4: Hit "Autodestruct" button if forum is being overtaken by invading Newbiens.


    :jawa:
     
  13. Turambar

    Turambar Harebrained Staff Member

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    hehe, yes Sky... I had that one coming :)

    Though it must be added that I was well exploring all corners of the forum by that time. I did start off at the weapons forums, back in the time Kit Rae dropped by once every so often. But the rest of the forums got me interested and it indeed seems my 14'th post was about bibles and such - no doubt to profile myself a bit more...

    Yes... the relationship to the spam forum is interesting.

    But I really do believe the spam forum serves a different purpose - it's the playground of this site, if you like. It's a place where people get together and have a splash of fun (whilst adding to their post count) - and in that respect it's more like some of the threads in general talk. Socializing, that's what it's about.

    On the other hand, it's very interesting to exchange opinions about other matters then fantasy with people having at least some of the same hobbies. I find it very intersting to see how we differ (or not).

    Well, a mission statement makes clear to everyone what you are about. Contrary to rules, who generally limit the possibilities, mission statements are there to outline what you can do - and are supposed to be doing here.

    Now I know that I can easily start a Bob the Builder thread in Spam - but everyone will agree that TFF is not about Bob the Builder. Some threads about cars have been attempted - but most were removed or sent to Spam for not being "on topic". Rather then restricting such things by strict rules, I think it's far better to have a mission statement to point out that these sort of things are nice - but have little to do with TFF.

    Either way, I wanted to start a thread about this; to discuss matters in the great tradition of democracy. I was curious as to whether other people thought the same about this matter, see? I acknowledge that you are the man of the rules, Sky. But that doesn't mean everyone isn't entitiled to their opinion...

    hmmm...

    Option 5: set a minimum post level to reply and/or start a thread in /debate.
     
  14. Alchemist

    Alchemist The Fighters Guide House Member

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    I dont see why there should be a minimum post level to debate. Just because your new does not mean you have nothing to bring to the table. Yes, I have seen "noobs" pop in and offer nothing, but I have seen others hold their own with the veterans.

    I personally dont what the deal is. The name of a board is not its main focus, especially if has other types of focus.
    ie. The RA Salvatore forums, according to your definition of what a board should be, should be the mainly about RA Salvatore, but that section is not the most popular. Last time I was there General Discussion was the most popular.

    Same with the Terry Brooks forums.

    Yes, there is alot of attention focused in this particular section, but it does fluctuate from time to time. There are periods where this section is slow and the Spam is the main focus, and so on.
     
  15. Wolfguard

    Wolfguard Your own personal Jesus

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    Why? Why go through all that trouble when you can just scroll right past a post marked "NEWBIE?" You already said you did not "feel obliged to answer" some of them in regards to debate. That to me means the problem for you is solved. The way I see it, so long as people aren't trolling, flaming or spamming, then I see no reason to be prejudice against the opinions of a newcomer.
     
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  16. Tinuviel

    Tinuviel New Member

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    I am an oldie cloaked in noob garb. I have been a TFF member for 3ish years now, but have posted very sporadically for the past year or so. Therefore, many of the newer regulars don't know me or have any 'history' with me.

    When I do have time to drop in I pick a forum and 'catch up' a bit. Lately, it has been the Debate Forum. I guess I have not given much consideration to the reception that might receive. My apologies if my randomness rubs anyone the wrong way.

    If my posts were not among the aforementioned posts, then, do carry on. :)
     
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  17. Turambar

    Turambar Harebrained Staff Member

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    hehe...

    Tin... I know who you are :p
     
  18. chancock

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    Well as a newcomer-I can understand this attitude--but please realise that I have posted a good deal on LOTR swords and the SOT series for having joined such a short time ago. As for my philosophy on many of these debate subjects, it's largely influenced by Goodkind (with a bit of good ol' Republican tempering).

    Anyway I don't think debate at a fantasy forum is a bad thing as it encourages discourse amoung a certain subset of people---namely Fantasy fans
     
  19. Winterine

    Winterine Ranger-Bard

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    I think noobs should be allowed to post in the debating sections if they feel they have a strong opinion (as anyone should be able to). This is a pretty big forum, and if you're new here, it's easy to not know where to begin posting. I can see why a debate forum may look more inviting than a fantasy thread. It's a place you can more or less say what you like about an issue, and expect some kind of response to challenge or support your thoughts. I do think, however, that a noob should be aware that they are a noob, and make it their responsibility to check related threads and be sure to have read previous posts before posting.

    I agree :)
     
  20. HumanInfiltrator

    HumanInfiltrator The Book club lady

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    I'm as green as they come and it is with great trepedation that I type this opinion.

    Firstly, it is a big arena and it is more comfortable to air an opinion on a debate that feels like familiar ground rather than risking embaressment or being ignored sharing your tentative feelings on a smaller, more specialised thread.

    Secondly, fantasy is not the main reason for joining any thread on this forum, it's the people who read, dream, live ect. fantasy. It's for the measure of acceptance, understanding and compation that is largely absent in the world, well, my world anyway.
    Here the newspapers print stories on how Harry Potter is from the devil and my collegues are convinced that Magic is going to turn me into a satanist. I will say nothing of D&D.

    Thirdly, this is the spot to get to know people because here we declare ourselves for who we are, besides lovers or addicts of fantasy.