Gwailas Reforged!

Discussion in 'Fantasy Weapons and Armour' started by David S, Sep 29, 2003.

  1. Palantir

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    And you wonder why you get harrassed a lot on this board....you claim to be a PROFESSIONAL swordsman......you should get a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word! As far as your sword is concerned I think it is a blatant ripoff of the work that Weta workshop put into the movie swords. Some people might say that imitation is a form of flattery, but I'm of the opinion that imitation is a lack of imagination and origionality. I'm sure I'll get a lot of heat on this post, but I don't care. I'm entitled to my piece:fuckyou:
     
  2. Palantir

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    Here is a message Boomerang sent me in reply to my above post:

    Palantir.
    You need to learn to hold your tongue and respect people. If cannot respect people and treat them like people then get the hell off of my site. Cause I do not want someone like you here who cannot respect someone else. What am I talking about? Your comment to David S.'s post about his sword. You have 24 hours to respond to this and apologize to dave on the boards or we are removing you.

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    In nomine Patris, et Filius, Spiritus sanctus..." -Boondock Saints

    If I'm going to be censored like that, then goodbye!!! You'll get no apology here!!!!! Muhahahahaha
     
  3. David S

    David S New Member

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    he's right!
     
  4. NCO MOS18B

    NCO MOS18B Better than you.

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    ..because it's wrong to have opinions.

    So, Palantir, next time you feel like posting something, think: "Is there even the slightest possibility that someone might be offended by what I have to say? Because, If there is, I have to keep quiet and 'respect' them to avoid hurting their feelings, because it's obvious they can't suck it up and take some criticism for once."
     
  5. Elrohir

    Elrohir Firstborn

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    Good riddance, Palantir. Perhaps NCO will take his opinions elsewhere also. And I'm sure David S can take whatever criticism you are willing to dish out about his sword, if you were actually clever enough to word it so you didn't sound like a jealous high-schooler. I for one enjoy David S's very knowledgeable contributions to the board, and his insightful constructive criticism of ALL swords, regardless of maker.
     
  6. NCO MOS18B

    NCO MOS18B Better than you.

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    Notice how I hadn't given my opinion on David's sword (Which I think is cool, by the way. I especially like the wood grip.) I was commenting on Boomerang's response to Palantir, which I think is absurd. I mean, he's making the guy APOLOGIZE for saying that "Gwailas" is a ripoff of the LotR swords. :rolleyes:
     
  7. NateDogg2

    NateDogg2 New Member

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    I think it stinks that Palatir had to be booted. :mad: He was the one that posted all of the awesome new pics of the new product first. This whole thread headed down the crapper from the beginning.
     
  8. Mububban

    Mububban Administrator Staff Member

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    I find that being a moderator means constantly walking the line of editing something that you think is over the top, or letting some things slide if they are legitimate arguments that raise relevant points for discussion.
    I didn't see Palantir's posts until now (Monday morning in Australia) otherwise I probably would have done something about it. Expressing his opinion wasn't the problem, it was the obnoxious way he did it that rubbed people the wrong way. You can be honest and direct without being insulting.

    Anyway, the administrators are fully within their rights to boot anyone they feel doesn't fit in. Shops can refuse to serve you (hopefully for justifiable reasons), and if someone turned up to my party and acted like an idiot, they'd get shown the door too.

    Yes, a shop/party/online forum is made available for people to use and enjoy, but you have to respect your host and everyone else as well.

    Let's play nice people, I love coming to these boards and "socialising" with others who love LOTR and weapons as much as I do :)
     
  9. gwindor

    gwindor ok i'm a n00b still

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    David i liked the sword originally but after the refit even more. :)

    As for it being a rip off it would be hard to come up with a completely original idea. Swords have been made for thousands of years now, there is very little room for evolution left.
     
  10. David S

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    Thank you! I couldnt have said it better Gwindor. exactly. In fact, besides the cutout in the pommel, there is NO similarity. The blade is short, Glamdrings is long, the fuller ends before the guard, wehreas glamdrings doesnt. the grip is burl unlike ANY LOTR sword. The pommel is completely different.

    See uneducated people see the "outline" of a sword and cry ripoff, but in fact there is NOTHING on the sword that is a direct copy of ANY LOTR sword.
     
  11. Witchking

    Witchking Undead Ringer

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    She's a beauty, alright. A tribute to a very skilled smith.
     
  12. David S

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    not really, this is an example of a fine smiths work. John has a name for himself, doenst have to tribute anyone lol
     
  13. Skyanide

    Skyanide The Big Meanie Staff Member

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    My (perhaps last, but hopefully not) two cents:

    For one, I do not dislike David's sword, nor am I jealous of it. It is a fine piece of craftsmanship, and if I chose to spend a small portion of my $160 000/year salary on a piece like that, I would be proud of it, too.

    However, what I do have a problem with is this...

    - When David first started visiting these boards, in its earlier inceptions such as LOTROnline, it was mostly to criticize both the LOTR line AND the fact that these were "wallhangers" and condescend to the rest of the membership about "real swords" this and "real swords" that. I even recall a quite nasty series of "altercations" between SwordForumsdotcom, where I also am a member, and this forum, where it got to the point that Adrian Ko, the Swordforum administrator himself, felt he had to come here and post an apology for David's misbehaviour. Which therein lies the foundation for some of the "hostility" that some of the newcomers here are seeing. There is a long (long) history here.

    - The similarities between Gwailas and Narsil/Glamdring are apparent. For someone to have openly criticized the originals and then get a sword made with so many similarities to me is hypocitical. And while yes, no sword is truly original in that all have a point and all have a handle, to claim for this to be an "original" design is a flat out fallacy. I like the design, but let's not detract from the work of John Howe and Peter Lyon by calling it "LOTR-inspired". That would be like putting a new hood and rims on my SHO and calling it "Taurus inspired".

    - While Boom is the owner and administrator of this board and can handle his affairs as he wishes, I do personally feel it is unfair that one Forum Member is berated for his behaviour and not the other. While Palantir could have probably worded his post a bit less "aggressive", I can't say that in principle that I disagree with him. When, after all, it was YOU Jeff that he was posting in defense of (the fact that David was criticizing YOUR policies.)

    Funny, I didn't see David make a public apology here for that. I don't see Elrohir making apologies for suggesting NCO go elsewhere either (Or for him criticizing my avatar. :321:KMA)

    You had the power to edit or delete his post, but instead you attempted to humiliate him by insisting he publicly apologize. (And for the record, Palantir is not some pimply-faced teen, he is a corrections officer that sees more of REAL life than you would care to see.)

    - The true definition of a PROFESSIONAL is someone who makes a living or at least an earning in plying your trade.

    A doctor is a professional.
    A lawyer is a professional.
    A teacher is a professional.
    Larry (swordsman) is a professional.
    I am a professional.

    Unless we count rabid pop bottles or pool noodles, or unless someone is actually killing people and not letting on, a PROFESSIONAL SWORDSMAN is a FANTASY.

    Y'know, it's really too bad that things have to degrade to this level, because I was just saying not too long ago to another forumite that David was starting to show a little maturity in his posts.
     
  14. David S

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    do you know what my profression is sir?
     
  15. Tenaka

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    Being a swordsman isnt a proffesion, its a hobby, and there is nothing wrong with it. Second, Palantir didnt have to publicly appologize, he could have sent David a private message. Now, I think if Palantir's post wasnt so aggresive and sort of insulting, it would have been just an open opinion, this is why this forum is up is it not?

    Anywho, back to topic, David, what kind of scabbard you got for Gwailis? IE: wood or leather?
     
  16. NateDogg2

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    I couldn't have said it better myself Skyanide.
     
  17. sefranox

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    i think so, too.

    gwailas is one of the most beautiful swords i`ve ever seen, but the similarities are there, maybe the technical details (material of the grip, etc) are different, but when i have a look at the sword i have glamdring and anduril in my mind.

    i also think, that palantir could have word his post better, but warning him would have been enough. but in his last post, no apologies or understanding could be seen, so maybe it was the right decision.


    sefranox
     
  18. finrod

    finrod Born to woe.

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    I do think it happens too often that, not just here but everywhere
    and in every situation possible, some folks are just not able to respect others or to respect another's opinion. I think that's a shame for because of that much good is lost, sometimes even before it could employ itself. Maybe that's what's normal in this modern day society, but I won't have anything to do with it because it drains more energy than you could ever imagine
    and will eventually take away your happiness in life and if you
    will take an advice of someone who's been there : don't let it happen to you, life's about giving and taking and if everyone would give just a little more than he or she takes, this world would truly be a better place.

    ( Man, I feel like mother Theresa right now but I know I am right about what I said)
     
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  19. Aramir

    Aramir Ranger of the North

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    nice philosophy on things finrod. as for me....well i just like swords :D
     
  20. Gûd Daedheloth

    Gûd Daedheloth Foe of Morgoth's Realm

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    Skyanide, your opinion seems very well thought-out and non-insulting. I think (and I hope) that Boom won't see a problem with it. I value your knowledge, opinions, and jokes here on the boards, and I hope you're here for a long time.