Greatest Military Commanders.

Discussion in 'Historian's House' started by Rob Darken, Jun 4, 2009.

  1. Rob Darken

    Rob Darken New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2008
    Messages:
    865
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    In the midst of the Celtic Winter, following the v
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0
    So who in your opinion is/was a military genius? and why?
    Any time period is welcome, even a top ten or similar if you feel the need.
    Just make sure you can justify their prowess.
     
  2. I_Saw_Eden_Burn

    I_Saw_Eden_Burn Moonchild

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2009
    Messages:
    186
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    In search of sanity...
    Ratings:
    +11 / 0 / -0
    The Scourge of God, Attila the Hun, would be my choice. Not because I have anything in particular against the Romans, but mainly because he forged a people to his will, creating one of the most formidable armies Asia had ever seen. His life story is also fascinating, and though he wouldn't be first on my guest list for a dinner party, I think he certainly has to rank up there with the Wellingtons and Zhukovs of this world. (And I don't for one second believe the story about him refraining from sacking Rome after meeting the Pope. Yet another example of a fascinating period in history being reduced to the level of a childish fable by the Christian Church.)

    An honourable mention should also go to Vercingetorix, who led the uprising against Caesar when Rome was on the verge of completing its subjugation of Gaul. Admittedly he failed spectacularly after becoming besieged at Alesia, but the fact that he had the testicular fortitude to carry out a campaign of guerilla warfare against the mighty Roman army means he'll always be a firm favourite of mine.
     
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2009
  3. darkfox

    darkfox New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2009
    Messages:
    367
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0
    Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus . A not overly covered Roman General and Consul who put down several rather violent uprisings in Africa to cement Romes hold on the southern regions of it's growing empire. I think the reason why I like the guy is that he had to fight dozens of different tribes and empires, each with their own varying styles and made adjustments to his own units to ensure victory. He also was the one to put down Hannibal who Romans feared.

    The guy took the fight not only to Hannibal, but also made foreys into Espania (Spain) among other places that the Romans wouldn't turn their eyes to until much later. He was a brilliant General, although he started out humbled a few times because he was very prideful.

    I've never been one to follow the herd, but because I'm into Roman things and everyone always invariably picks Julius, Mark Antony or Augustus....I wanted to find someone different. Scipio became a name many adopted over the years and most of them were notworthy Romans.
     
  4. Rob Darken

    Rob Darken New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2008
    Messages:
    865
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    In the midst of the Celtic Winter, following the v
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0
    I am going to recommend Baibars.
    For a slave to rise to be so powerful in his time is an monumentual effort alone, but to defeat the Mongols in battle and drive the Crusaders from "Outremer" is outstanding in his age. He was responsible for the fall of arguably the greatest Medievel castle, Krak des Chevaliers as well.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baibars (Not the best roundup of his life and achievements).
     
  5. Blackness

    Blackness Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2006
    Messages:
    2,947
    Likes Received:
    145
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings:
    +145 / 0 / -0
    Oh there's so many of them.
    1. Genghis Khan, not just because he conquered half the world, but because he was very successfull in making the nations he ruled relatively docile for a conquered nation, they were allowed to keep their religion, customs, language etc. which made them good servants, less likely to rebel.
    For a mongolian barbarian this is a huge display of intelligence.

    2. Alexander
    3. Napoleon
    4. Leonidas (respect, nothing further to add ;))
    5. Julius Caesar
    6. Atilla the Hun
    7. Stefan Dušan IV of Serbia, too bad he died of old age before the fight with turks
    8. Matthias Corvinus
    9. Erwin Rommel
    10. Suleiman the Magnificent
     
  6. anonymous

    anonymous the king

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2009
    Messages:
    4,606
    Likes Received:
    88
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Riga, latvia
    Ratings:
    +116 / 2 / -3
    Genghis Khan - I agree with blackness
     
  7. Fiel

    Fiel Guardian of Time

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2009
    Messages:
    118
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Land of Lightning
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0
    In WW2, General Omar Bradley & James M. Gavin of the allies. Patton seemed great in the field, but far as I know no empathy whatsoever for his own soldiers.

    To the Nazi side, Hitler. :D
     
  8. Ser Land

    Ser Land New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2009
    Messages:
    458
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Azores, Portugal
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0
    Many good generals, I see. But there're a few missing. Like Salahaddin or D.Nuno Alvares Pereira.
     
  9. Kakashi

    Kakashi Call me Deacon Blues

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2005
    Messages:
    17,530
    Likes Received:
    419
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Can't Find My Way Home
    Ratings:
    +738 / 7 / -2
    Alexander, hands down, in my opinion at least. Just the tactics he used, especially in India, were impressive.

    And really, The Mongols were never much of anything for me... their Empire was sososo artificially large because the Asian steppe is just huge and very sparsely populated. I guess i have to respect them for China and the caliphate I guess. But they couldn't hold it for any real amount of time.. which I guess is true for Alexander but that's hardly his fault. And Alexander still spread good culture.. the mongols just spread the black plague.. which i guess is off topic but..
     
  10. AlphaAlex

    AlphaAlex Official Forum Nuisance

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2008
    Messages:
    8,708
    Likes Received:
    218
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Australia
    Ratings:
    +318 / 4 / -0
    Alexander. He reminds me of me.
     
  11. Running Wolf

    Running Wolf Join the Madness

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2006
    Messages:
    6,605
    Likes Received:
    205
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Bittersweet Hell
    Ratings:
    +254 / 0 / -0
    Sorry, but as soon as Hitler took over the direct command over the military forces, Stalingrad happened. I guess that justifys me saying: He sucked. ;)
     
  12. Ser Land

    Ser Land New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2009
    Messages:
    458
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Azores, Portugal
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0
    There is no good or bad culture.
     
  13. Kakashi

    Kakashi Call me Deacon Blues

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2005
    Messages:
    17,530
    Likes Received:
    419
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Can't Find My Way Home
    Ratings:
    +738 / 7 / -2
    The Mongols didn't really have culture at all...
     
  14. Ser Land

    Ser Land New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2009
    Messages:
    458
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Azores, Portugal
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0
    Not having a culture wouldn't be the same as having a bad culture.

    And anyway, every people have their culture. Don't mix culture with civilization.
     
  15. Druid of Lûhn

    Druid of Lûhn The Little Lamb.

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2009
    Messages:
    7,155
    Likes Received:
    51
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Lûhn
    Ratings:
    +74 / 0 / -0
    Baibars as well, though I don't know much about this side of history (don't learn much at school about generals)
     
  16. Aphelion

    Aphelion The Mighty One

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2007
    Messages:
    463
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    No Man's Land
    Ratings:
    +16 / 0 / -0
    Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov, one of the few great generals in history who never lost a battle along with the likes of Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan.