governments aren't that bad.. i think people should think about what would happen if there were no governments at all(think of the revolutions). As was stated in the federalist papers... “If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.” it's the nature of men to be selfish.. i think we should look more at the things that the government does well, which actually is a lot if you think about it. That does not mean we cannot look at the faults, otherwise we couldn't solve problems. governments are in general corrupt in a more or lesser way and do a lot of awful and stupid things, but they also do good. A lot of people say they are not free to do as they please and whine about all the rules, but isn't there something of truth in what hobbes said about to be able to be free and fulfil your desires, is to give up your rights, so every person can get equal rights . i posted this in the christianity thread but i would like to know what other people's opinions on the topic are. Crouton stated that governments generally don't do good (crouton please correct me if i'm wrong ) and i answered with the above-mentioned post. so, please what do you think?